ATLANTA | Development Thread VI

[patriotizzy]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

I am not feeling this at all....

So people who don't like this art would rather have the garrish unwashed dark and grim concrete? It is color, even if the art isn't stylized to your likes.

[PhunkyPho]

Originally Posted by The Best Forumer

Horrendous... just like the "art" under Houston's I-45 South Freeway @ Wayside underpass.... barf.

I guess my only issue with it is what the caution tape is trying to convey to the viewer.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by PhunkyPho

I guess my only issue with it is what the caution tape is trying to convey to the viewer.

99.99% sure caution tape was up for went paint/while catfarts worked...

I wasn't sold on the mural initially, but after going to dancing goats recently I enjoyed the murals. I am a bit surprised they only activated one of the sides of the station, so I'm curious as to what will go up on the other sides.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by Verge

Almost all of the city's SPI districts have parking maximums and many districts already have NO requirement for parking. Its not zoning-- its financing-- no one will finance anything of any size without parking in Atlanta--

SPI are only in a few places in the city. Like I said, maximums are rare, but minimums are the norm. I am fine if we get rid of them both and let the market decide.

Banks can do their own thing when it comes to parking. Seems like yet another reason why the parking minimums are not needed if you think projects without parking won't get financed.

But I know there is no way my project would have been financially viable if we were required to have even one parking space. And I am sure many many more projects never even got to the drawing board due to parking minimums. Even terrible parking-lot-heavy developers / projects like Fuqua's 800 Gleenwood had to go back and add more parking spaces / slightly reduce the size of the project due to not having enough parking spaces to meet the parking minimums.

If you want bigger urban developments / more skyscrapers , more housing supply (lower housing prices), and / or better urban design you should support letting the market decide parking, not arbitrary laws.

[West Peachtree]

Originally Posted by patriotizzy

So people who don't like this art would rather have the garrish unwashed dark and grim concrete? It is color, even if the art isn't stylized to your likes.

Can't help but wonder what other Midtown MARTA designs were considered before being rejected and who the experts were that decided on approved creative. Not to worry, folks, it'll grow on us.

Speaking of growth, this coming Tuesday, June 12, is the June DRC meeting. Agenda should be released tomorrow/Friday. Maybe Ponce & 3rd??

[Sura]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

I am all for murals, especially in this part of Midtown. However, this looks a little preschool. Just my $0.02.

TBH, it reminds me a little of the murals in my elementary school library.

[Verge]

Originally Posted by jsvh

SPI are only in a few places in the city. Like I said, maximums are rare, but minimums are the norm. I am fine if we get rid of them both and let the market decide.

Banks can do their own thing when it comes to parking. Seems like yet another reason why the parking minimums are not needed if you think projects without parking won't get financed.

But I know there is no way my project would have been financially viable if we were required to have even one parking space. And I am sure many many more projects never even got to the drawing board due to parking minimums. Even terrible parking-lot-heavy developers / projects like Fuqua's 800 Gleenwood had to go back and add more parking spaces / slightly reduce the size of the project due to not having enough parking spaces to meet the parking minimums.

If you want bigger urban developments / more skyscrapers , more housing supply (lower housing prices), and / or better urban design you should support letting the market decide parking, not arbitrary laws.

A few place including, all of Downtown, Midtown, Buckhead and Memorial Drive to name a few of the'few'.
I'm afraid the market alone does not great cities make-- and it never will. Zoning laws are not arbitrary, but
at their best are reflective of the collective will of a democratically controlled place, respecting personal and
collective rights equally. And no they are not perfect but its the framework that we have. I for one do not
want to live in laissez-faire Houston.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by Verge

A few place including, all of Downtown, Midtown, Buckhead and Memorial Drive to name a few of the'few'.
I'm afraid the market alone does not great cities make-- and it never will. Zoning laws are not arbitrary, but
at their best are reflective of the collective will of a democratically controlled place, respecting personal and
collective rights equally. And no they are not perfect but its the framework that we have. I for one do not
want to live in laissez-faire Houston.

Houston has stricter parking minimums and set backs than we do in many cases. We certainly do not want to go that direction.

I am not quite sure that the existing parking minimums are the really an example of collective will over that of a few vocal NIMBYs, but I am sure that means you will support and respect the public processes that is going on right now to reduce / eliminate parking minimums in the city: https://www.zoningatl.com/

And yes, parking minimums are quite arbitrary: https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2...stent-minimum-parking-requirements/6598/

If you want to read a whole book on it, I highly recommend: https://www.amazon.com/High-Cost-Free-Parking-Updated/dp/193236496X

If you are going to be democratically involved on the subject you do have a duty to be educated on it.

[ericdeatl]

Originally Posted by West Peachtree

Speaking of growth, this coming Tuesday, June 12, is the June DRC meeting. Agenda should be released tomorrow/Friday. Maybe Ponce & 3rd??

The agenda is now available (one project):

5:30 NEW APPLICATION: 901 West Peachtree Street

Project Type: The proposed commercial-office project will be located at 901 West Peachtree Street, bordered by 7th Street to the south, West Peachtree Street to the west, 8th Street to the north and an existing 15-foot-wide alley to the east. The 31-story building will have approximately 477,000 square feet of commercial use which will house approximately 6,000 square feet of ground floor active-use and 470,000 gsf of office space. Approximately 750 parking spaces will be provided in an 11- story parking deck that will be above the ground floor and below the office tower.

Applicant(s): John McColl, Emmy Montanye

[3yonce]

Originally Posted by ericdeatl

The agenda is now available (one project):

5:30 NEW APPLICATION: 901 West Peachtree Street

Project Type: The proposed commercial-office project will be located at 901 West Peachtree Street, bordered by 7th Street to the south, West Peachtree Street to the west, 8th Street to the north and an existing 15-foot-wide alley to the east. The 31-story building will have approximately 477,000 square feet of commercial use which will house approximately 6,000 square feet of ground floor active-use and 470,000 gsf of office space. Approximately 750 parking spaces will be provided in an 11- story parking deck that will be above the ground floor and below the office tower.

Applicant(s): John McColl, Emmy Montanye

Ooh, it'll be exciting to get more details on this one!

[cabasse]

^is this the first we've heard of this? don't recognize that address.

[MdtwnATL]

Isn’t this Daiquiri Factory?

[jpk1292000]

Originally Posted by cabasse

^is this the first we've heard of this? don't recognize that address.

I think it's this great proposal by Cousins that was announced about a month ago. Great looking building and great that they seem to be moving quickly on this...

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...operties-eyes-30-story-office-tower.html

[cabasse]

^ah, well damn. certainly good to see.

[jaxoncreed]

Hey, if I were to arrange a YIMBY meetup for Atlanta, would anyone go to it?

[MARTAisSmarta]

Originally Posted by ericdeatl

The 31-story building will have approximately 477,000 square feet of commercial use which will house approximately 6,000 square feet of ground floor active-use and 470,000 gsf of office space. Approximately 750 parking spaces will be provided in an 11- story parking deck that will be above the ground floor and below the office tower.

So 11 of 31 floors are for parking? So 470,000SF of office over 20 floors is 23,500 sf footprint. Around your typical office building footprint. Unfortunate that they think they need one floor of parking for every two floors of office space, especially considering when this is only ~1 block from the MARTA station.

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by MARTAisSmarta

So 11 of 31 floors are for parking? So 470,000SF of office over 20 floors is 23,500 sf footprint. Around your typical office building footprint. Unfortunate that they think they need one floor of parking for every two floors of office space, especially considering when this is only ~1 block from the MARTA station.

While the Midtown SPI 12 allows a maximum of 2.5 cars per 1,000SF of office space, the projected 470,000 GSF of office would allow around 1175 parking spaces as of right.
So at 750 parking spaces, they would be around a 35% reduction in parking.

It is worth noting: there are no minimum parking requirements for office or even retail/restaurants within a transit station area - which this property does fall under per the SPI zoning maps.

[jayden]

Wow so the Cousin's proposal is a lot further along than I thought.

Is there a webcam for Opus?

[Verge]

Originally Posted by arctk2014

While the Midtown SPI 12 allows a maximum of 2.5 cars per 1,000SF of office space, the projected 470,000 GSF of office would allow around 1175 parking spaces as of right.
So at 750 parking spaces, they would be around a 35% reduction in parking.

It is worth noting: there are no minimum parking requirements for office or even retail/restaurants within a transit station area - which this property does fall under per the SPI zoning maps.

At 1.6 parking spaces per 1,000 sf this is one of the lowest parking ratios in town. Previous Atlanta parking requirements (market) have been hovering around 5 per 1,000 sf. This is really very good. An office of 10,000 sf can hold say 60 folks easily, but under this scenario requires only 16 parking spaces. As for the 11 floors the floor-plate holds about 68 spaces per level-- a very small footprint overall-- also I thought you guys liked height?

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by Verge

At 1.6 parking spaces per 1,000 sf this is one of the lowest parking ratios in town. Previous Atlanta parking requirements (market) have been hovering around 5 per 1,000 sf. This is really very good. An office of 10,000 sf can hold say 60 folks easily, but under this scenario requires only 16 parking spaces. As for the 11 floors the floor-plate holds about 68 spaces per level-- a very small footprint overall-- also I thought you guys liked height?

Height means jack, IMO, if 1/3 of the development is parking. Give us functional space.