Great Canadian Skyline Thread II

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by saffronleaf

It's hilarious how Quebecois zealously defend expressions of Christianity in the public domain as heritage or art and rail against all non-Christian religious expressions in the public domain under the guise of secularism.

unfounded drive-by comment.

[kool maudit]

Why wouldn't a historically Catholic society conceive of the figures of this history as relevant? Quebec is not France with its laïcité – it is like an Ireland that lost its faith in the social changes of the late 20th.

But even that is beside the point: it is not strange to see the shrine of Fatimah bint Musa in Qom, nor the Pietà in Rome. It is not strange to see a cross atop Mount Royal because Paul de Chomedey, Sieur de Maisonneuve, dragged a wooden one up there himself in thanks to God in 1643.

It's certainly not weird to see a Jesuit in a Montreal video, even if said video lacks a matching Yazidi.

Places have particularities and histories their own. Imagine seeking a world of mere nodes within a generalized universal understanding? You can go to any international airport for that.

I expect societies to be a bit biased towards themselves.

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by kool maudit

Why wouldn't a historically Catholic society conceive of the figures of this history as relevant? Quebec is not France with its laïcité – it is like an Ireland that lost its faith in the social changes of the late 20th.

But even that is beside the point: it is not strange to see the shrine of Fatimah bint Musa in Qom, nor the Pietà in Rome. It is not strange to see a cross atop Mount Royal because Paul de Chomedey, Sieur de Maisonneuve, dragged a wooden one up there himself in thanks to God in 1643.

It's certainly not weird to see a Jesuit in a Montreal video, even if said video lacks a matching Yazidi.

Places have particularities and histories their own. Imagine seeking a world of mere nodes within a generalized universal understanding? You can go to any international airport for that.

I expect societies to be a bit biased towards themselves.

There is nothing wrong with that. What is hypocritical and irritating is when a society claims to be secular and discourages other forms of outward faith expression using secularism as an excuse, while denying its own religious nationalism and faith supremacist behaviour.

Quebec has every right to be a culturally and religiously nationalistic society, but it comes across quite ridiculous and primitive when that society and its pure laine cheerleaders claim it is a modern and progressive culture.

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

unfounded drive-by comment.

Unfounded? We come across this all the time in this forum and from the mouths of Quebec politicians. I have no problem with it, but by pretending this doesn't exist, you are proving our point.

[Rico Rommheim]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

There is nothing wrong with that. What is hypocritical and irritating is when a society claims to be secular and discourages other forms of outward faith expression using secularism as an excuse, while denying its own religious nationalism and faith supremacist behaviour.

Quebec has every right to be a culturally and religiously nationalistic society, but it comes across quite ridiculous and primitive when that society and its pure laine cheerleaders claim it is a modern and progressive culture.

Jesus (no pun intended). One single shot of a jesuit priest in a 6 minute long video of the history of a city is enough to trigger these kinds of responses.

Wow.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

There is nothing wrong with that. What is hypocritical and irritating is when a society claims to be secular and discourages other forms of outward faith expression using secularism as an excuse, while denying its own religious nationalism and faith supremacist behaviour.

Quebec has every right to be a culturally and religiously nationalistic society, but it comes across quite ridiculous and primitive when that society and its pure laine cheerleaders claim it is a modern and progressive culture.

It's probably hard for you to believe but there is actually a lot of room in the middle which allows societies to be *mostly* both.

There is no a binary choice between accepting the Anglo-Canadian way to the letter on the one hand, and being backward hicks on the other.

I mean, if you were paying attention to the news this morning:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-denma...ng-of-face-veils-in-public-idUSKCN1IW1I5

[suburbanite]

I walked by a church on the way home from dinner last night. I'm afraid Toronto has fallen to the Anglican horde.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by suburbanite

I walked by a church on the way home from dinner last night. I'm afraid Toronto has fallen to the Anglican horde.

I was thinking more of the Women's Christian Temperance Union, but that works too!

[kool maudit]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I mean, if you were paying attention to the news this morning:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-denma...ng-of-face-veils-in-public-idUSKCN1IW1I5

You know, sometimes I think that the secret to Denmark's recent desire to reject the Islamic way of doing things lies in its ancient desire to reject the Swedish one.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by kool maudit

You know, sometimes I think that the secret to Denmark's recent desire to reject the Islamic way of doing things lies in its ancient desire to reject the Swedish one.

There is no way I can respond to that without getting into trouble. So I'll just bite my tongue for now.

[niwell]

I'm hesitant to wade into this as it's based off a picture where it does look like Jesus presiding over the end times (pretty metal tbh)...

But I have actually gotten into a similar conversation with Quebecois who hotly denied any influence of Catholicism in modern Quebec society, being pretty much 100% secular. That's as ridiculous as saying that Toronto retains no influence of it's staid Anglican past as it's "the most multicultural city in the world" (also an argument I've heard).

As an aside the image did remind me of Quebecois black metal, which is generally steeped in Catholic imagery and separatist themes. And the rejection of the former, however in a MUCH different way than we are discussing.

[Martin Mtl]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjcM4cNHhX2/?taken-by=sam_jesser


https://www.instagram.com/p/BjbM7AHFTTl/?taken-by=mariamerlosphoto

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Boris2k7

The guys over at Skyrise are more up to date with photos than anything here on SSP, since the Calgary sub became a shell of itself.

https://skyrisecities.com/forum/threads/...-6s-calgary-library-sn%C3%B8hetta.24479/

Yeah the Calgary section has become a trolls nest. I made the mistake of posting in there a few days ago. Apparently my photo looked "exactly the same" as Daemon's potato camera pics. I was lambasted by pretty much everyone who still posts there except for suburbia. How sad it has become.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by niwell

I'm hesitant to wade into this as it's based off a picture where it does look like Jesus presiding over the end times (pretty metal tbh)...

But I have actually gotten into a similar conversation with Quebecois who hotly denied any influence of Catholicism in modern Quebec society, being pretty much 100% secular. That's as ridiculous as saying that Toronto retains no influence of it's staid Anglican past as it's "the most multicultural city in the world" (also an argument I've heard).

As an aside the image did remind me of Quebecois black metal, which is generally steeped in Catholic imagery and separatist themes. And the rejection of the former, however in a MUCH different way than we are discussing.

I think when people in Quebec refer to what you describe it is the "here and now" and a "henceforth" dimension that they are talking about.

Basically, I don't believe there is anything "new" or even "contemporary" that mixes the religious and the public these days in Quebec. We don't have anything like Ontario's separate fully funded Catholic school system, fully funded charter schools as in Alberta, or publicly-funded Catholic health care networks as in BC.

Obviously these people aren't silly enough to dispute the long Catholic heritage of the province and its residual impacts. You can't erase history after all.

[esquire]

^ Why have so many of the locals become crappy or nonexistent? MB/SK might be an exception as it's still going strong and it's the main thing that keeps me coming back here.

I know I'm going to sound like Grandpa Simpson here but I was never that keen on splitting the forums up into regional and local subforums back in the 2000s. I thought this place was at its best when everyone was kind of forced to mix and mingle... although I suppose there was a fair bit less development activity in North America back then.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ Why have so many of the locals become crappy or nonexistent? MB/SK might be an exception as it's still going strong and it's the main thing that keeps me coming back here.

I know I'm going to sound like Grandpa Simpson here but I was never that keen on splitting the forums up into regional and local subforums back in the 2000s. I thought this place was at its best when everyone was kind of forced to mix and mingle... although I suppose there was a fair bit less development activity in North America back then.

I only still stay on SSP for the Canada Section. Funny enough it used to be perceived as the most toxic place for any forumers from Calgary. Now the Calgary forum is toxic.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ Why have so many of the locals become crappy or nonexistent? MB/SK might be an exception as it's still going strong and it's the main thing that keeps me coming back here.

I know I'm going to sound like Grandpa Simpson here but I was never that keen on splitting the forums up into regional and local subforums back in the 2000s. I thought this place was at its best when everyone was kind of forced to mix and mingle... although I suppose there was a fair bit less development activity in North America back then.

Unfortunately, it was necessary to segregate the forum into subsections. It was a gong show. Canadians vs Americans vs Australians. It would be different now as we're all 20 years older.

[Boris2k7]

I don't want to go on about it because at this point it's a dead horse (like the Calgary Local), but even the Calgary subreddit has more active moderation and better tools to keep fringe views on the margins.

[Monolith]

the approach to vancouver's harbour flight centre, 3 of 4 by Quintin Doroquez, on Flickr


By Fluff Designs, on Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/fluffdesig...M-24TcGWo-27yx2Kj-27yx3wE-27z6VNJ-Kv3pnY

[mistercorporate]

Not sure if I've seen this render of The One on here, has a nice skyline background:


Courtesy of UT