Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

And now a few days later, sexual harassment allegations against Morgan Freeman. I assume his voice won't make it onto buses and Skytrains after all.

http://ottawasun.com/entertainment/celeb...wcm/691e8dde-4e0d-4e65-b3d6-087cac8390a2

I guess Morgan’s going to pay for tapping something else

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Are you saying that Ottawa has made the bare minimum increase every year since 2003?

The municipal subsidy portion? My guess is its between roughly in line with inflation since 2011, and was probably higher than that before, in the 2000s, but the 2011 cuts probably wiped out a good portion of that excess room the city built up.

It's based on the municipal property tax contribution, not the overall budget. Fares have increased by considerably more than city funding since 2003, so OC's total budget increase is probably a lot more than the city contribution (which the law tracks).

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

The municipal subsidy portion? My guess is its between roughly in line with inflation since 2011, and was probably higher than that before, in the 2000s, but the 2011 cuts probably wiped out a good portion of that excess room the city built up.

It's based on the municipal property tax contribution, not the overall budget. Fares have increased by considerably more than city funding since 2003, so OC's total budget increase is probably a lot more than the city contribution (which the law tracks).

I tried to check, but I couldn't easily find old budgets. The city's website sucks.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I tried to check, but I couldn't easily find old budgets. The city's website sucks.

Go to the OC Transpo site instead some of the info is there

http://www.octranspo.com/about-octranspo/reports_and_stats

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I tried to check, but I couldn't easily find old budgets. The city's website sucks.

I tried to figure it out too after I found out about the provincial law. Have yet to do the math. Ugh.

Which annoys me because I'm sure some MTO bureaucrat somewhere is keeping track.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by OtrainUser

Go to the OC Transpo site instead some of the info is there

http://www.octranspo.com/about-octranspo/reports_and_stats

It doesn't have data before 2015.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by acottawa

It doesn't have data before 2015.

I know im not sure the city's website has it either

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I tried to check, but I couldn't easily find old budgets. The city's website sucks.

But Ottawa is the high-tech capital of eastern Ontario!

[J.OT13]

Flreury's Twitter;


https://twitter.com/MathieuFleury/status/998248265698201601

Confederation Line update.






http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/news/construction-update-175/

[kmcamp]

Now that you can pretty much walk right up to the Parliament Station entrance at Heritage Place it's actually a bit surprising at how narrow that entrance is in person, compared to what the drawings say:

http://www.morguardlrtupdates.com/PDF/qs/150525_DE_EE_Layout_R1.pdf

I guess I also didn't realize the escalators will only get you most of the way up... and then you'll either have to go through Winners or take the stairs.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

Now that you can pretty much walk right up to the Parliament Station entrance at Heritage Place it's actually a bit surprising at how narrow that entrance is in person, compared to what the drawings say:

http://www.morguardlrtupdates.com/PDF/qs/150525_DE_EE_Layout_R1.pdf

I guess I also didn't realize the escalators will only get you most of the way up... and then you'll either have to go through Winners or take the stairs.

Winners is not going to be open during all LRT hours. How is that supposed to work?

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Winners is not going to be open during all LRT hours. How is that supposed to work?

You get some exercise and take the stairs the rest of the way, or if you know ahead of time you come up via the SunLife entrance or the elevators

[J.OT13]

It seems busiest station (Parliament) is the one that offers the fewest entrance options. Two sets of stairs, an escalator and two outdoor elevators. Lyon has two escalators, two sets of stairs and two indoor elevators, plus the connection to the PdV concourse (converging with a pretty spacious upper station concourse).

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

It seems busiest station (Parliament) is the one that offers the fewest entrance options. Two sets of stairs, an escalator and two outdoor elevators. Lyon has two escalators, two sets of stairs and two indoor elevators, plus the connection to the PdV concourse (converging with a pretty spacious upper station concourse).

I thought there were escalators into the other entrance, which is integrated into the Atrium in the Sunlife building (which is actually a much nicer concourse then PdV). There's also a direct connection into Heritage place below streetlevel. That means besides the 3 direct entrances, you can also enter from Albert, Bank, and O'Conner via Sunlife, and Sparks Street via the Winners entrance.

[J.OT13]

As far as I can tell, anyone coming in from Queen or SunLife will be going into the same entrance, basically the entrance vestibule of SunLife will have a third set of doors into the station. Heritage Place is a fairly small office building, so I figure very few people will be using the direct access through the building.

As for Winners, I'm not convinced it will be plugged in. Walking through the other day, I can only see one spot where we could have an entrance, and it seems to coincide with the "future entrance by others" in the plans. Does Heritage Place have any other retail below-grade?

The biggest sticking point for me is the two outdoor elevators. Would it have been so much more expensive to add another set of elevators at Heritage or World Exchange?

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

It seems busiest station (Parliament) is the one that offers the fewest entrance options. Two sets of stairs, an escalator and two outdoor elevators. Lyon has two escalators, two sets of stairs and two indoor elevators, plus the connection to the PdV concourse (converging with a pretty spacious upper station concourse).

Not sure about Stage 1, but according to the following slide, in 2023 Parliament will be the 4th busiest station (behind Lyon, Hurdman and uOttawa)


(I couldn't find a PDF of the presentation, so linked to the time in the video where they talk about this)



Interestingly, if you add the Baseline, Moodie and Tunney's Pasture numbers together, it comes to over 14,000 which is well ahead Lyon, so it is quite likely that initially Tunnies Pasture will be the busiest station (until stage 2 west is open).

[J.OT13]

Thanks for that.

Something must have changed because there were a few places were Parliament was quoted as the busiest, such as the Confederation Line website;

http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/the-build/parliament/overview/

I have trouble believing Lyon will be nearly twice as busy as Parliament. One is on the edge of the CBD while the other is smack down in the middle.

I can certainly see how Tunney's could be the busiest until stage 2 opens. It must have been strategic move on the City's part to build the initial terminus at Tunney's in order to ensure a good chunk of riders will disembark the bus system at their destination (those working at Tunney's), thus reducing the number of transfers.

At what time frame in the video can we find that slide?

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

As far as I can tell, anyone coming in from Queen or SunLife will be going into the same entrance, basically the entrance vestibule of SunLife will have a third set of doors into the station. Heritage Place is a fairly small office building, so I figure very few people will be using the direct access through the building.

As for Winners, I'm not convinced it will be plugged in. Walking through the other day, I can only see one spot where we could have an entrance, and it seems to coincide with the "future entrance by others" in the plans. Does Heritage Place have any other retail below-grade?

The biggest sticking point for me is the two outdoor elevators. Would it have been so much more expensive to add another set of elevators at Heritage or World Exchange?

I guess Winners won't have it day 1, but I imagine they'll do that connection soon after (just makes sense business wise). I really think that not connecting into World Exchange is a lost opportunity, but I'm guessing that negotiations just didn't succeed. I happen to work in World Exchange, so I particularly would have found that useful. I do wonder why the elevators aren't in the Sunlife entrance, it seems large enough that it could have supported it versus the tiny Heritage place entrance.

In other news, the hoarding on Queen Street beside World Exchange is gone, I had almost forgotten what the street looked like

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Confederation Line update.

Kind of sad that despite the finesse and expense of all the glass barriers, they installed these cheap ugly yellow bollards, aka "inter-car barriers". Looks like an terrible band-aid solution for something not previously thought of, and they're not even installed straight Why not put a glass wall instead?

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

Kind of sad that despite the finesse and expense of all the glass barriers, they installed these cheap ugly yellow bollards, aka "inter-car barriers". Looks like an terrible band-aid solution for something not previously thought of, and they're not even installed straight Why not put a glass wall instead?

Those yellow bollard things are pretty standard in systems throughout North America. Because they are a safety feature, I think they're supposed to be bright and yellow.