PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX - Page 876

JohnIII · #**17501** Posted **Apr 27, 2018, 1:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mr Saturn64

Is that that totally hypothetical wooden tower we were just talking about? It didn't look quite liked it cracked 1,000 in the rendering. 900 seemed more like it. But I thought that was the type of building that would be classified as a "vision" on the diagrams, not a valid proposal. But then again, as you said, "let's just have fun." And I'm OK with having fun with hypothetical supertalls in Philly.

Yep; that is what I meant. I would sure like to see that one get built. This news is like getting a hot apple pie after you haven't eaten all day.

JohnIII · #**17502** Posted **Apr 27, 2018, 1:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mr Saturn64

Is that that totally hypothetical wooden tower we were just talking about? It didn't look quite liked it cracked 1,000 in the rendering. 900 seemed more like it. But I thought that was the type of building that would be classified as a "vision" on the diagrams, not a valid proposal. But then again, as you said, "let's just have fun." And I'm OK with having fun with hypothetical supertalls in Philly.

Yep that's what I meant

JohnIII · #**17503** Posted **Apr 27, 2018, 1:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by skyscraper

Commercial building floor to floor heights, depending on the size of the floor plates, are more like 17 feet.
So if all floor heights are the same, and they rarely are, it comes in at 1156 feet.

I thought the diagram had residential floor to floor heights at 11'; which is short an office height at 13'. I factored in 2 extra feet then the specs they gave but you say its 17' feet. if it is 17' is that floor to floor or including floor thickness and infrastructure space?

I actually hope you're right; 1156' would make this proposal the tallest building in the city; it would make a statement.

mcgrath618 · #**17504** Posted **Apr 27, 2018, 1:57 PM**

I think we're getting a little carried away here. Comcast and LPT have plans already, this is just an architect showing their vision for what they think they could do. This isn't a definite proposal.

Boku · #**17505** Posted **Apr 27, 2018, 2:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by mcgrath618

I think we're getting a little carried away here. Comcast and LPT have plans already, this is just an architect showing their vision for what they think they could do. This isn't a definite proposal.

You're wrong this is totally legitimate, I heard the groundbreaking is next week!

skyscraper · #**17506** Posted **Apr 27, 2018, 2:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by JohnIII

I thought the diagram had residential floor to floor heights at 11'; which is short an office height at 13'. I factored in 2 extra feet then the specs they gave but you say its 17' feet. if it is 17' is that floor to floor or including floor thickness and infrastructure space?

I actually hope you're right; 1156' would make this proposal the tallest building in the city; it would make a statement.

As I said, it largely depends on the size of the floor plate. Bigger floor plate area = higher floor to floor, so light can get deeper into each floor. But even with a smaller floor area, commercial buildings rarely have less than 15' floor to floor height.
Floor to floor means just that: top of one floor slab to the top of the next floor slab. That includes mechanical spaces above ceilings / between floors, everything.

Milksteak · #**17507** Posted **Apr 27, 2018, 6:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by McBane

Right, essentially 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 work to give the plumber's union a job.

Wait...so did this actually happen? If this is a true statement, I am legitimately horrified.

JohnIII · #**17508** Posted **Apr 27, 2018, 6:24 PM**

Just for the record; I don't know what the final plans are; I don't think this design we see will fit on that site without some modifications; but based on the designs we saw it looks like it can be very tall and it would be great to see it get built; plus its good for the environment.

If they actually do go with the design; 62 floors with the height range we're talking would impact the skyline. I sat by the South Street Bridge and while drawling the skyline I lightly and temporarily drew what the skyline would look if this were to actually be agreed upon and built out as; just to see the potential we're talking. It would have great presence!

City Wide · #**17509** Posted **Apr 27, 2018, 7:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by McBane

Right, essentially 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 work to give the plumber's union a job.

I'm not 100% sure of this, but I believe at the time Comcast 1 was build the plumbing code hadn't been updated to include waterless urinals, so part of the argument was about building to code. Now the code includes them, no more problem. Codes can be incredibly slow to consider advancement in methods and materials.

GtownFriend · #**17510** Posted **Apr 27, 2018, 7:07 PM**

The recent Controller's Report on the tax-abatement has a large section (4) on construction costs in Philly relative to other cities. It includes some interesting stats on the cost of union (and non-union) labor. Basically its relatively high. Only NYC, San Fran, and Chicago have higher labor costs.
This has various consequences impacting the profitablity of new development across the city.

Lot's more here:
http://www.philadelphiacontroller.org/uploads/press_releases/tax-abatement-analysis-final-final.pdf

cjPhilly · #**17511** Posted **Apr 27, 2018, 7:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by City Wide

I'm not 100% sure of this, but I believe at the time Comcast 1 was build the plumbing code hadn't been updated to include waterless urinals, so part of the argument was about building to code. Now the code includes them, no more problem. Codes can be incredibly slow to consider advancement in methods and materials.

That's pretty much it, though the argument was less about what the code said and more about protecting work for the unions.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/12083483/ns/us...inals-rile-philly-plumbers/#.WuN2zC4bOiM

They eventually reached an agreement, but something I did not know was that as part of that deal Liberty Property agreed not to install waterless urinals anywhere else in the city for five years until the Comcast "trial" was concluded!

http://www.contractormag.com/plumbing/cm_newsarticle_888

mcgrath618 · #**17512** Posted **Apr 28, 2018, 4:36 AM**

So I don't in any way mean to stir the pot, but my friend has told me that Google would like to take their Google Fiber platform to Comcast's doorstep and implement it in Philadelphia. He didn't say anything about offices and whatnot, but can anyone else add anything?

Jayfar · #**17513** Posted **Apr 28, 2018, 9:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by mcgrath618

So I don't in any way mean to stir the pot, but my friend has told me that Google would like to take their Google Fiber platform to Comcast's doorstep and implement it in Philadelphia. He didn't say anything about offices and whatnot, but can anyone else add anything?

That would be surprising, unless Google Fiber pivots and starts expanding again.

The End of Google Fiber Expansion: Where Did It All Go Wrong?

iheartphilly · #**17514** Posted **Apr 28, 2018, 2:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by mcgrath618

So I don't in any way mean to stir the pot, but my friend has told me that Google would like to take their Google Fiber platform to Comcast's doorstep and implement it in Philadelphia. He didn't say anything about offices and whatnot, but can anyone else add anything?

Yeah, google fiber is dead or will be. COMCAST HAS A WIDE moat on this and all the advantages of a capital intensive fiber network that’s very hard to compete with. Cannot be match or duplicated to get an appreciable market share.

Jayfar · #**17515** Posted **Apr 28, 2018, 8:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly

COMCAST HAS A WIDE moat on this

RCN: Hello Philadelphia. Hello Comcast.
Comcast: Hello City Council, Mayor Rendell and David L. Cohen.
Comcast, City Council, Mayor Rendell and David L. Cohen in unison: Goodbye RCN.

See: https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7020514067.pdf

volguus zildrohar · #**17516** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 3:44 AM**

PHILLY FORUM MEET

I don't think we've done one since pre Comcast Center and summersm43 is the last new Phillyhead I've met.

This Saturday (May 4) looks like a great day (finally) to be out and about. Who's up for collectively walking and chatting up what's been going on in Center City?

mcgrath618 · #**17517** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 3:49 AM**

This Saturday is May 5, which is my anniversary with my girlfriend. However, I am free in the day on the actual May 4.

iheartphilly · #**17518** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 12:47 PM**

[QUOTE=Jayfar;8170843]RCN: Hello Philadelphia. Hello Comcast.
Comcast: Hello City Council, Mayor Rendell and David L. Cohen.
Comcast, City Council, Mayor Rendell and David L. Cohen in unison: Goodbye RCN.

^
That sums it up!

I like competition. It's good at least there's Verizon Fios as an alternative to Comcast.

jsbrook · #**17519** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 1:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by volguus zildrohar

PHILLY FORUM MEET

I don't think we've done one since pre Comcast Center and summersm43 is the last new Phillyhead I've met.

This Saturday (May 4) looks like a great day (finally) to be out and about. Who's up for collectively walking and chatting up what's been going on in Center City?

I'm in Atlanta, but people who can should go. We need to do another one at the Four Seasons bar this fall!

jso · #**17520** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 5:30 PM**

Dorky question, but now that the CITC building has been topped off and is nearing completion, I was wondering when local news stations update the skyline image in the background? Is it typically after a new building is officially "inaugurated"? This goes for all images with the skyline. Is there a rule of thumb everyone goes by?