Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[tybuilding]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

The whole idea of this line is that students won't have to live on campus, or even the west side. They can live in Surrey and east can basement suites like the rest of the starving students.

It would be nice to cut down the time of the 1h:45m commutes from Surrey.

[a very long weekend]

UBC wouldn't really need to do a surcharge for regular riders, they could pay for it by adding an additional charge to student fees, and to the HOA covenants of buildings here.

Another thing they could do that would be more controversial but completely within their purview (though possibly requiring an EIS) would be to upzone the entirety of the endowment lands and develop some mechanism for capturing lift on those single family home areas. With skytrain out there, the area could handle thousands more people, and a lot more commercial. There's no negative to converting those 1970s SFDs to mid/high-rise: money for the long term lessees, money for the university and the skytrain extension, more homes built to take the pressure off the rest of the market, a new community (the current one out here = no).

In conjunction with the golf course going to higher use over the next decades, you're looking at the possibility of a regional economic powerhouse, and covenants could be written to include funds for the extension on every new plot (and an infill station at the golf course, when the time is right).

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I doubt any students will be afford the rent for condos in Jericho.

owner (not likely a student) rents out a self-contained student suite that is part of their condo or townhouse

isn't SFU doing that with their new condo housing on campus?

how different is that from a house owner in the area who is renting out a student suite (or several) in their house?

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Nor will they want/need a line routed down Chancellor, which only serves the Chan Centre, the Museum of Anthropology and a lot of faculty housing. University Boulevard is in a better position to serve everybody (not to mention a potential station at Block F).

running south from Chan to Wesbrook Village serves the entire length of the campus, but will need several on-campus stations to do so

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

running south from Chan to Wesbrook Village serves the entire length of the campus, but will need several on-campus stations to do so

Yet it skips the Block F redevelopment, University Village and the West Point Grey commercial district (at last check, they were planning a station in the Safeway redevelopment).

Originally Posted by tybuilding

It would be nice to cut down the time of the 1h:45m commutes from Surrey.

Damn straight - now Surrey undergrads get to sleep in until 7.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Damn straight - now they get to sleep in until 7.

and can snooze for the entire commute

[lubicon]

Originally Posted by NewfBC

Who will pay the add fare? All of the students and staff have passes. There won't be any add fare applicable. With YVR there are many visitors and occasional travelers paying the add fare.

Ron.

Users is the obvious answer. So likely students and possible staff who take transit. Students would be an easy mark, just add a surcharge to their fees. You might be able to do the same with staff but that could be a little trickier. Problem I see is how UBC generates enough revenue from this to pay their portion, the surcharge to student fees would need to be pretty high, or I suppose alternatively it could be spread over a long term (ie 20 years for example).

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by tybuilding

It would be nice to cut down the time of the 1h:45m commutes from Surrey.

No doubt, down to an hour maybe.

[Steveston]

Originally Posted by a very long weekend

UBC wouldn't really need to do a surcharge for regular riders, they could pay for it by adding an additional charge to student fees, and to the HOA covenants of buildings here.

Another thing they could do that would be more controversial but completely within their purview (though possibly requiring an EIS) would be to upzone the entirety of the endowment lands and develop some mechanism for capturing lift on those single family home areas. With skytrain out there, the area could handle thousands more people, and a lot more commercial. There's no negative to converting those 1970s SFDs to mid/high-rise: money for the long term lessees, money for the university and the skytrain extension, more homes built to take the pressure off the rest of the market, a new community (the current one out here = no).

In conjunction with the golf course going to higher use over the next decades, you're looking at the possibility of a regional economic powerhouse, and covenants could be written to include funds for the extension on every new plot (and an infill station at the golf course, when the time is right).

It makes total sense for UBC to allow density bonusing and CACs to create a lot more housing at the campus (and generate revenues to pay for the line) -- and NOT intend it to house students/faculty. It makes sense to have more two-way traffic on the line so that it generates more revenue and pays for itself faster. Most transit lines are peaking inbound in the am and outbound in the pm. The UBC line will likely be the only line with equal traffic in both directions during both peak times.

That's always a major point on the Powerpoint presentations given by TransLink -- two way traffic. Nobody wants to see empty trains dead-heading back to the end of the line

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Steveston

It makes total sense for UBC to allow density bonusing and CACs to create a lot more housing at the campus (and generate revenues to pay for the line) -- and NOT intend it to house students/faculty. It makes sense to have more two-way traffic on the line so that it generates more revenue and pays for itself faster. Most transit lines are peaking inbound in the am and outbound in the pm. The UBC line will likely be the only line with equal traffic in both directions during both peak times.

That's always a major point on the Powerpoint presentations given by TransLink -- two way traffic. Nobody wants to see empty trains dead-heading back to the end of the line

The central broadway area around VGH will make sure that doesn't happen. This line will be heavily used from early morning until the afternoon/late shifts of the hospital are off around 11-12 at night.

But with that, "dead heading" a few automated electric Skytrains is nothing compared to some diesel buses complete with highly paid drivers doing the same.

[djmk]

Will the UBC line go through Musqueam lands and could this be a problem pushing the project through? I believe the golf course belongs to them

[nname]

And remember, the morning "rush hour" from the west side is actually heading east toward Central Broadway, and the afternoon commute home is heading west toward UBC.

This is the reason why the peak demand appears lower on this line west of Cambie/Granville in the studies, because the direction toward UBC is actually "outbound". All the students heading to UBC are doing reverse-peak travel so they are NOT part of the demand for peak hour rush.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by djmk

Will the UBC line go through Musqueam lands and could this be a problem pushing the project through? I believe the golf course belongs to them

So long as the lands they're redeveloping get a station, I think they'll be fine with it.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by djmk

Will the UBC line go through Musqueam lands and could this be a problem pushing the project through? I believe the golf course belongs to them

I wouldn't presume to speak for them, but it seems to me that Skytrain access would make their lands a lot more valuable.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

So long as the lands they're redeveloping get a station, I think they'll be fine with it.

perhaps they could chip in something for the station & line under their land?

similar to UBC covering some of the cost on their property?

[jlousa]

A bit of info in the following document which sheds light on a bunch of questions that have been asked on here.

http://council.vancouver.ca/20180515/documents/p8.pdf

[Metro-One]

Some good info there.

Nice to see them at least planning for multiple entrances and some key underground connections (such as to the hospital). If not on opening day at least in the future

Also, Cambie Station will be east of Cambie Street?

As a side note, I really hope they just give the stations the name of the cross streets they intersect. So much easier for way finding than using random First Nation names. Maybe they could hyphenate one or two stations. All of them will come off as trying too hard IMO.

Also all we have to do now is somehow gets the height restrictions reduced along Broadway so we our region can properly develop around such a major transportation artery.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by jlousa

A bit of info in the following document which sheds light on a bunch of questions that have been asked on here.

http://council.vancouver.ca/20180515/documents/p8.pdf

Is that the correct link - that's the Chinatown policy.

[Migrant_Coconut]

It's pretty easy to get links mixed up when you're multiposting.

[officedweller]

Found it:

Millennium Line Broadway Extension of SkyTrain - Municipal Requirements
http://council.vancouver.ca/20180516/documents/pspc1b.pdf