NHL season 2017/2018 - Page 79

HomeInMyShoes · #**1561** Posted **Mar 28, 2018, 8:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by jawagord

No the Canucks and their fans deserved better, Luongo single-handedly lost the Stanley Cup with his horrid play but still gets to retire a multi-millionaire.

Lol. Vancouver loses to Nashville and doesn't make the finals without Luongo and Luongo single-handledly won two of the finals games 1-0 and a third 3-2. Vancouver left him out to dry in two games badly. Gave up 7 short-handed shots in the one game. 7. We all saw how fast the wheels fell off in Vancouver without him when they traded him.

Vancouver just couldn't score. 8 goals in a seven game series and somehow they got to the 7th game. Over in 5 without Luongo.

logan5 · #**1562** Posted **Mar 28, 2018, 11:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

Lol. Vancouver loses to Nashville and doesn't make the finals without Luongo and Luongo single-handledly won two of the finals games 1-0 and a third 3-2. Vancouver left him out to dry in two games badly. Gave up 7 short-handed shots in the one game. 7. We all saw how fast the wheels fell off in Vancouver without him when they traded him.

Vancouver just couldn't score. 8 goals in a seven game series and somehow they got to the 7th game. Over in 5 without Luongo.

You got it backwards. Luongo left his teamates out to dry. His shaky play in the finals left the team on edge. Kesler was in beast mode against Nashville. That's what won that series for us.

Horus · #**1563** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 12:41 PM**

A little Hart Trophy thought experiment.
I'd be curious to see what the opinions would be on this year's Hart trophy race if the season ended like this.

(Open question - anyone feel free to answer, but at least please explain your choice)

Supposing the season ends like this

Connor McDavid - 110pts, wins the Art Ross race by no more than 10pts
Is the highest scoring player on his own team by at least 35 points
Oilers finish with 78pts, 12th in West, miss the playoffs by about 20 points.

Nathan McKinnon - 97pts, finishes in top 5 NHL scoring
Is the highest scoring player on his own team by at least 15 points
Avalanche finish with 96pts, 9th in West, miss the playoffs by 1 point.

Taylor Hall - 88pts, finishes 10th in NHL scoring
Is the highest scoring player on his own team by at least 35 points
Devils finish with 91pts, 8th in East, beat Florida for the last playoff spot by 1 point

Who of these three wins the Hart trophy and why?

suburbanite · #**1564** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 12:59 PM**

If Colorado misses the playoffs there is no reason to give it to MacKinnon over McDavid.

Hall probably wins it. There's no question McDavid is a more valuable player to any given team, but results speak for themselves. Without Hall, the Devils are probably contending for a lottery pick again. He has dragged them kicking and screaming into a playoff spot.

HomeInMyShoes · #**1565** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 2:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by suburbanite

If Colorado misses the playoffs there is no reason to give it to MacKinnon over McDavid.

Hall probably wins it. There's no question McDavid is a more valuable player to any given team, but results speak for themselves. Without Hall, the Devils are probably contending for a lottery pick again. He has dragged them kicking and screaming into a playoff spot.

I'd agree with that. The 85 points when the next player has 49 points on the team is all the evidence I need for that.

TorontoDrew · #**1566** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 2:18 PM**

The Leafs only need one more win to clinch their spot. According to Bluenote this means the Leafs will win the cup.

DoubleK · #**1567** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 3:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Horus

Taylor Hall - 88pts, finishes 10th in NHL scoring
Is the highest scoring player on his own team by at least 35 points
Devils finish with 91pts, 8th in East, beat Florida for the last playoff spot by 1 point

Who of these three wins the Hart trophy and why?

Taylor Hall hands down. As mentioned above his play this season especially the clutch scoring is the only thing that kept the Devils in the conversation all season.

McDavid probably wins the Ted Lindsay and McKinnon will have to settle for a career best season.

Hall probably still has a slight edge over McKinnon if the Avs make the playoffs.

theman23 · #**1568** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 3:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

The Leafs only need one more win to clinch their spot. According to Bluenote this means the Leafs will win the cup.

I don’t know, do you think they can string together another one game win streak so late in the season?

TorontoDrew · #**1569** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 3:58 PM**

LOL. Well they don't even need the win in Florida loses 2 more games.

JHikka · #**1570** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 4:04 PM**

Either way, the Ted Lindsay Award holds more weight than the Hart, given that it's voted on by players instead of by the media. There's been some notable differences in the past but the past three or four years have seen similar winners. This year's should be interesting.

Andy6 · #**1571** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 4:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

Taylor Hall hands down. As mentioned above his play this season especially the clutch scoring is the only thing that kept the Devils in the conversation all season.

McDavid probably wins the Ted Lindsay and McKinnon will have to settle for a career best season.

Hall probably still has a slight edge over McKinnon if the Avs make the playoffs.

The NHL will be eager to see a winner from the NYC area, even if it’s from a weak sister team like the Devils.

Andy6 · #**1572** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 4:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by JHikka

Either way, the Ted Lindsay Award holds more weight than the Hart, given that it's voted on by players instead of by the media. There's been some notable differences in the past but the past three or four years have seen similar winners. This year's should be interesting.

I don’t pay the slightest attention to any trophy that wasn’t in my 1971-72 hockey card set. :-) What on earth is the Ted Lindsay Award? Does there not seem to be an excess of awards in the NHL?

DoubleK · #**1573** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 4:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andy6

I don’t pay the slightest attention to any trophy that wasn’t in my 1971-72 hockey card set. :-) What on earth is the Ted Lindsay Award? Does there not seem to be an excess of awards in the NHL?

Used to be Lester Pearson. It's in your hockey card set.

HomeInMyShoes · #**1574** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 4:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andy6

I don’t pay the slightest attention to any trophy that wasn’t in my 1971-72 hockey card set. :-) What on earth is the Ted Lindsay Award? Does there not seem to be an excess of awards in the NHL?

The Ted Lindsay Award, formerly known as the Lester B. Pearson Award, is awarded annually to the National Hockey League's most outstanding player in the regular season as judged by the members of the NHL Players Association. First awarded in 1971, it is a companion to the Hart Memorial Trophy, which is awarded to the League's Most Valuable Player, as judged by members of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association. The award was renamed for Detroit Red Wings great Ted Lindsay, officially announced on April 29, 2010.

So instead of the weirdo press votes of the Hart it is the players saying who was most outstanding.

Andy6 · #**1575** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 4:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

Used to be Lester Pearson. It's in your hockey card set.

No it wasn’t actually, from what I remember, but it did exist. How did they justify the re-naming?

JHikka · #**1576** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 4:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andy6

No it wasn’t actually, from what I remember, but it did exist. How did they justify the re-naming?

Ted Lindsay was a terrific player and an even better individual. He partly founded the NHLPA. Easy award to rename, IMO.

Some differences between Lindsay & Hart winners:
01-02: Iginla / Theodore
02-03: Naslund / Forsberg
05-06: Jagr / Thornton
09-10: Ovechkin / H. Sedin
10-11: D. Sedin / Perry
12-13: Crosby / Ovechkin

DoubleK · #**1577** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 4:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andy6

Does there not seem to be an excess of awards in the NHL?

On that note, I do think they should add a Bobby Orr Award (yes, I know this is currently the name of a CHL award) for the top scoring defenceman.

Leave the Norris for best defenceman.

Andy6 · #**1578** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 4:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by JHikka

Ted Lindsay was a terrific player and an even better individual. He partly founded the NHLPA. Easy award to rename, IMO.

Some differences between Lindsay & Hart winners:
01-02: Iginla / Theodore
02-03: Naslund / Forsberg
05-06: Jagr / Thornton
09-10: Ovechkin / H. Sedin
10-11: D. Sedin / Perry
12-13: Crosby / Ovechkin

Seems like quite an insult to the memory of Lester B. Pearson.

Andy6 · #**1579** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 4:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

On that note, I do think they should add a Bobby Orr Award (yes, I know this is currently the name of a CHL award) for the top scoring defenceman.

Leave the Norris for best defenceman.

There should be a Terry Sawchuk award for most shutouts and maybe a Martin Brodeur award for best save percentage. An award for most empty net goals would fill another need.

JHikka · #**1580** Posted **Mar 29, 2018, 4:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andy6

Does there not seem to be an excess of awards in the NHL?

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Originally Posted by Andy6

There should be a Terry Sawchuk award for most shutouts and maybe a Martin Brodeur award for best save percentage. An award for most empty net goals would fill another need.

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Originally Posted by Andy6

Seems like quite an insult to the memory of Lester B. Pearson.

Pearson's memory is fine. His ties to hockey, and especially the NHL, were limited at best.