Great Canadian Skyline Thread II - Page 342

headhorse · #**6821** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

Are you actually asking this question? private property is private for a reason, if you are so eager to share, then just leave your front door open and invite people to linger in your house.

why is property private? what does that actually mean? how far does the property extend below and above the earth? if that property is affecting someone else's property (pollution, oil spills, noise, etc) is it still private?

i agree people have the right to privacy, but that's a different thing.

honestly, the idea of private property is in complete opposition to a free society because it inhibits the ability of people to use the earth to survive, something everyone is entitled to from birth.

headhorse · #**6822** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Yes. Many cases where angry/deranged citizens have violently lashed out against government or co-workers.

By the way, can you point out where you see social housing in this picture? https://www.google.ca/maps/@53.5462645,-...HawdcAHx-pWtLb4MueVOQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

the brick building behind the baccarat, next to boyle street community services.

and i said low income, not social, there is a difference.

what is wrong with our society that people do that? inequality maybe? lack of access to the resources they need? i wonder what sort of structures lead to those things... hm...

SkahHigh · #**6823** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

the brick building behind the baccarat, next to boyle street community services.

and i said low income, not social, there is a difference.

what is wrong with our society that people do that? inequality maybe? lack of access to the resources they need? i wonder what sort of structures lead to those things... hm...

You mean the thirty people that live in this building, located right next to Downtown? https://www.google.ca/maps/@53.5477635,-...5tJJwoWR35Yj7ourGm1kw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I guess we should block every private development for them then... Cities evolve and eventually gentrify, that's just the way it is.

I get that we shouldn't look to force these people out either, but that's just cities evolving and developing... Happens everywhere.

Coldrsx · #**6824** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 7:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by G.S MTL

Lol really? You’re comparing Edmonton to Montreal ? Because they get 2 buildings over 180m lol it’s looking more like Calgary not Montreal.

It is a running joke, that's all.

esquire · #**6825** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 7:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Blah blah blah. Jealous much? The few examples of incentives here result in a massive amount of private investments, something your city knows nothing about.

Well sure, if you overlook the hundreds of millions of public dollars in subsidies, leases and other goodies handed to the developer, then it's all private investment

Calgarian · #**6826** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 7:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

why is property private? what does that actually mean? how far does the property extend below and above the earth? if that property is affecting someone else's property (pollution, oil spills, noise, etc) is it still private?

i agree people have the right to privacy, but that's a different thing.

honestly, the idea of private property is in complete opposition to a free society because it inhibits the ability of people to use the earth to survive, something everyone is entitled to from birth.

Common sense obviously is not something you posses is it?

Urban recluse · #**6827** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 7:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Well sure, if you overlook the hundreds of millions of public dollars in subsidies, leases and other goodies handed to the developer, then it's all private investment

Look outside of the Ice District, and pure private $$$ is being spent on dozens of projects.

esquire · #**6828** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 7:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Look outside of the Ice District, and pure private $$$ is being spent on dozens of projects.

I don't doubt it for a second. But you may want to restrain yourself when it comes to calling out cities for greasing developers with public money when Edmonton has probably spent as much on that in the last decade as anyone else.

Coldrsx · #**6829** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 8:27 PM**

The number for Downtown Edmonton in terms of u/c, proposed or planned is around $7 billion in the last 6 years, about 3-3.5 of which has been built so far.

WhipperSnapper · #**6830** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 8:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

why is property private? what does that actually mean? how far does the property extend below and above the earth? if that property is affecting someone else's property (pollution, oil spills, noise, etc) is it still private?

i agree people have the right to privacy, but that's a different thing.

honestly, the idea of private property is in complete opposition to a free society because it inhibits the ability of people to use the earth to survive, something everyone is entitled to from birth.

Where do you live again? I'm going to have sex on your couch with a hooker.

Don't be lumping land together with building improvements. There's are places in Canada where private property rights don't exist however, that still doesn't give you the right to use equipment or buildings owned by others for your own pleasure. That's what a condo or office is.

WhipperSnapper · #**6831** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 8:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

The number for Downtown Edmonton in terms of u/c, proposed or planned is around $7 billion in the last 6 years, about 3-3.5 of which has been built so far.

Suuuuure.

Coldrsx · #**6832** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 8:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Suuuuure.

Built or is u/c I suppose is the better way to phrase it, public and private.

Calgarian · #**6833** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 9:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Where do you live again? I'm going to have sex on your couch with a hooker.

Don't be lumping land together with building improvements. There's are places in Canada where private property rights don't exist however, that still doesn't give you the right to use equipment or buildings owned by others for your own pleasure. That's what a condo or office is.

Stop trying to prevent him from using the earth to survive!

Robertpuant · #**6834** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 9:42 PM**

The Edmonton's towers are not Manhattan's supertalls nice, but they are by most measures above average. I'd be very excited if they went up in Montreal and Edmonton's forumers have all the rights in the world to be excited about them. Think of all the sea foam condo towers that go up in Vancouver, wrap around balconies with spandrel in Toronto, or Montreal's chubby 20 storey brick Griffintown condos. Saying the arena development is crap is a major cope.

Urban recluse · #**6835** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 9:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

I don't doubt it for a second. But you may want to restrain yourself when it comes to calling out cities for greasing developers with public money when Edmonton has probably spent as much on that in the last decade as anyone else.

I very much doubt that.

WhipperSnapper · #**6836** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 10:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Built or is u/c I suppose is the better way to phrase it, public and private.

You can put it any way you want it. I remain skeptical that a million to 2 million square feet of office space, 1500 to 2000 apartments units, a stadium, a museum and some civic improvements and renovations amount to $3.5 billion dollars invested. It would be a stretch for the combined market value in part to the arena being worth much, much less than the cost to construct it.

WhipperSnapper · #**6837** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 10:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

Stop trying to prevent him from using the earth to survive!

LOL You can drink the water flowing on my land. You can kill the beasts roaming through it. Don't even think you can use my crapper when the land provides you pine cones.

esquire · #**6838** Posted **Mar 15, 2018, 3:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

I very much doubt that.

All of the major office towers built in Edmonton in recent years, except one, are for public sector tenants or part of publicly subsidized projects. Enbridge Centre is the only exception I'm aware of.

someone123 · #**6839** Posted **Mar 15, 2018, 5:18 AM**

Source

Urban recluse · #**6840** Posted **Mar 15, 2018, 3:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

All of the major office towers built in Edmonton in recent years, except one, are for public sector tenants or part of publicly subsidized projects. Enbridge Centre is the only exception I'm aware of.

Not convinced. Perhaps one of the Edmonton forumers who are involved with developers could chime in regarding incentives.