Great Canadian Skyline Thread II - Page 341

Calgarian · #**6801** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 5:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

^ and honestly, the two towers look like shit, especially side by side. they're boring stantec factory designs, they are lined up beside each other so they blend together from most angles, and they honestly just look silly with the mass of parking lots and walk ups around it. awful development, at least Katz is getting rich from it though right?

They aren't the nicest towers, but they are revitalizing a previously dead part of downtown Edmonton, so maybe try to get some context before shitting all over something.

Brizzy82 · #**6802** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:00 PM**

Well that escalated quickly

SkahHigh · #**6803** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:01 PM**

Anyone know when the Baccarat Casino will be leaving lol?

Honestly, it's hard not to cheer for Edmonton after seeing this:

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headhorse · #**6804** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

They aren't the nicest towers, but they are revitalizing a previously dead part of downtown Edmonton, so maybe try to get some context before shitting all over something.

revitalizing by building a gated community for rich folks? because that's the only people who will get to live/stay/shop there. it's gentrification, it's a bad deal for most citizens for Edmonton, and it's tacky as hell.

SkahHigh · #**6805** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

revitalizing by building a gated community for rich folks? because that's the only people who will get to live/stay/shop there. it's gentrification, it's a bad deal for most citizens for Edmonton, and it's tacky as hell.

I don't see how an office tower, condos and an arena represent gentrification or anything bad but alright.

There was literally nothing there but a casino and a Staples. And tons of surface parking.

Calgarian · #**6806** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

revitalizing by building a gated community for rich folks? because that's the only people who will get to live/stay/shop there. it's gentrification, it's a bad deal for most citizens for Edmonton, and it's tacky as hell.

Gated community? you lost all credibility with that comment lol.

headhorse · #**6807** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

I don't see how an office tower, condos and an arena represent gentrification or anything bad but alright.

There was literally nothing there but a casino and a Staples. And tons of surface parking.

there was low income housing (bought out by Katz) and a community services centre that is trying to figure out what to do.. katz nor this development has done anything for the people that frequent/live in this neighbourhood. they've plopped a bunch of million dollar revenue properties in a neighbourhood that has for decades struggled with housing.

headhorse · #**6808** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

Gated community? you lost all credibility with that comment lol.

ok, so the buildings won't have security/be for a certain class of people/closed to the general public? people need to expand their definition of gated communities because it absolutely includes developments like this

Urban recluse · #**6809** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:24 PM**

Give it a rest Horse. Hardworking people with money have the right to some exclusive living. In terms of design, you live in the armpit of the country where nothing is happening. JW and Stantec are beautiful towers, and your taste is dubious to say the least.

Calgarian · #**6810** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

ok, so the buildings won't have security/be for a certain class of people/closed to the general public?

Are you for real? you realize there is a public element to go with the private element. You can go in the plaza all you want, but obviously can't just walk into a private residence or office building, one of which houses City of Edmonton staff, not a bunch of plutocrats as you are trying to make out lol.

WhipperSnapper · #**6811** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by ciudad_del_norte

...This makes no sense. People are posting pictures because they are excited about some things changing and improving, and probably the most dramatic skyline change happening in the country right now - not a race Edmonton has ever had a horse in before, at least for the the life of this forum. You are acting like the posts are people's attempts to claim Edmonton is Canada's premier urban destination or something.

That's not fair either. The excitement of two new tallest across SSP Canada is understandable however, comparison are being made, in particular, to Calgary.

Most skylines are seeing dramatic intensification through height. Most skylines have an Ice District type development being built. Let's keep in mind Edmonton before the Ice District may not have had the tallest skyline but, it still was one of the larger skylines with good height in the country.

headhorse · #**6812** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Give it a rest Horse. Hardworking people with money have the right to some exclusive living. In terms of design, you live in the armpit of the country where nothing is happening. JW and Stantec are beautiful towers, and your taste is dubious to say the least.

you mean people who steal labour/resources? because that's how you get rich in our economy. and no, no one has the right to "exclusive" living, especially when it's partially paid for by tax incentives from the city

and i honestly, i don't give a shit about architecture compared to the way we design buildings/cities for people. that should be the focus, not how high you can build something.

headhorse · #**6813** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

Are you for real? you realize there is a public element to go with the private element. You can go in the plaza all you want, but obviously can't just walk into a private residence or office building, one of which houses City of Edmonton staff, not a bunch of plutocrats as you are trying to make out lol.

why not though? why should those people be afraid of random citizens coming into an office building or residential lobby? do they have reasons to be afraid of everyday people?

Urban recluse · #**6814** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:30 PM**

Blah blah blah. Jealous much? The few examples of incentives here result in a massive amount of private investments, something your city knows nothing about.

Urban recluse · #**6815** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

why not though? why should those people be afraid of random citizens coming into an office building or residential lobby? do they have reasons to be afraid of everyday people?

Damn straight they should not have to deal with vagrants.

WhipperSnapper · #**6816** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Give it a rest Horse. Hardworking people with money have the right to some exclusive living. In terms of design, you live in the armpit of the country where nothing is happening. JW and Stantec are beautiful towers, and your taste is dubious to say the least.

JW and Stantec are tall towers in the Canadian context.

Calgarian · #**6817** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

why not though? why should those people be afraid of random citizens coming into an office building or residential lobby? do they have reasons to be afraid of everyday people?

Are you actually asking this question? private property is private for a reason, if you are so eager to share, then just leave your front door open and invite people to linger in your house.

SkahHigh · #**6818** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

why not though? why should those people be afraid of random citizens coming into an office building or residential lobby? do they have reasons to be afraid of everyday people?

Yes. Many cases where angry/deranged citizens have violently lashed out against government or co-workers.

By the way, can you point out where you see social housing in this picture? https://www.google.ca/maps/@53.5462645,-...HawdcAHx-pWtLb4MueVOQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Urban recluse · #**6819** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

JW and Stantec are tall towers in the Canadian context.

You diplomat

headhorse · #**6820** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 6:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Blah blah blah. Jealous much? The few examples of incentives here result in a massive amount of private investments, something your city knows nothing about.

okay, so you're advocating for a system where rich people get tax incentives as long as they use it to build housing/offices for rich folks/corporations?