Canada Line races toward capacity

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

We don't need to cut anything, I'm pretty sure we could have negotiated several features in, these are lcd screens they are not that expensive. In terms of info they would ideally display information about travel times connecting services and delays.

As if people complaining about it is a good reason not to do it, has anyone complained about the Mark 3's having more screens than the Mark 2's...

The LCDs in the stations cost $40K CAD each, courtesy of the No vote. Assuming we want an LCD over every Canada Line train door (similar to other metros that adopted them), that's $40,000 x 12 doors x 18 trainsets, which ends up being $8,640,000, or 10% extra cost. I'm no accountant, but I'm pretty sure something else has to be axed in order to get those screens.

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[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

The LCDs in the stations cost $40K CAD each, courtesy of the No vote. Assuming we want an LCD over every Canada Line train door (similar to other metros that adopted them), that's $40,000 x 12 doors x 18 trainsets, which ends up being $8,640,000, or 10% extra cost. I'm no accountant, but I'm pretty sure something else has to be axed in order to get those screens.

And that cost is just materials. Now you got installation, maintenance, replacement, emergency repairs due to vandalism or something fucking up, etc.

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[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

...and I think the vandalism risk has been thoroughly debunked.

You think or your know?

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[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

I ride public transit every single day it's very rare to see ANY graffiti or vandalism within vehicles (I question where you get the idea that people would vandalize stuff right away from besides a reason to say we shouldn't have feature x), at that its not even that common to see transit property vandalized. As far as within trains, I do not see it as a problem whatsoever and I'm sure if it was we would hear about it. So no I don't think our nonexistent on vehicle graffiti problem (no widespread issues) is not a reason for us to not get nice modern features.

The reason why you don't see it is because Translink actually does a decent job of repairing / removing most of it (save for a few locations).

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Vancouver getting the same trains as Delhi, right there thats the problem.

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

As was so kindly stated our train interiors are very similar to Delhis, which happens to be in one of the poorest countries in the world (India is at less than $2000 gdp/c canada is $40,000+). We can and should be aiming just a little higher imo.

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

I was never dragging India down, I never claimed they couldn't do great things

You were never dragging India down? That's pretty much a textbook example of doing just that.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

If, Eywa forbid, we end up with another tax referendum, all such "debacles" are going to be paraded out front and centre by Bateman and friends - the LAST thing we need is poorly-planned unnecessary spending that sets necessary funding back by yet another five years. Let's at least wait until the Broadway extension's finished.

Mercifully Jordan Bateman has a new job - now we have Kris Sims. Speaking of which, why exactly do the CTF get so much attention - they're a non-profit with only a handful of members, only one of which is in BC.

Originally Posted by CanSpice

During the transit referendum TransLink got raked over the coals for spending money on screens in SkyTrain stations. Never mind the cost was essentially a rounding error and that TransLink made a little bit of money from them in advertising, the "TransLink is wasting money on screens" trope played well. I could easily see spending money on screens in trains treated the same way.

It's pretty much a given that that's exactly what would happen. Someone will complain about any 'non-essential' spending while pointing at things that are needed that we don't have funding for - partly because of people trying to nickel and dime us for everything...

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

"Substandard" - which is also debatable - refers to limited line capacity stemming from short platforms and insufficient trains. Lack of fancy TV screens on the trains has nothing to do with people moving, it just makes transit look prettier, and if that's the issue, let's beautify the stations instead. Damn things look like bomb shelters.

I've gotten vocal at TransLink as I'd much rather they spend money on decent looking stations instead of putting a piece of public art inside it. Hell they could paint the interiors of Canada Line underground stations - except that someone would complain about it being 'non-essential' and how that money could be spent on X instead.

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[ilikeredheads]

Next we are going to have Reece fight for genuine leather seats because it'll make people's butts more comfortable. Don't worry, it'll only be a fraction of a cost so it'll cost nothing!!! (or so he claims)

"Why won't Translink get leather seats?? Trains are so ghetto without them!!"

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

The reason why you don't see it is because Translink actually does a decent job of repairing / removing most of it (save for a few locations).

And the sky is blue, water is wet, breathing regularly is good for you, eating makes you not hungry, hot things are hot, cold things are cold, etc.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

Next we are going to have Reece fight for genuine leather seats because it'll make people's butts more comfortable. Don't worry, it'll only be a fraction of a cost so it'll cost nothing!!! (or so he claims)

"Why won't Translink get leather seats?? Trains are so ghetto without them!!"

He could just lug a recliner around.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Delhis local trains are incredibly overcrowded, old, and many do not even have doors (I've actually spent a lot of time in Delhi as it were). The trains are in an awful state, I'm not dragging anything down I'm just saying it how it is (from first hand experience riding systems there).

Now who's cherry picking - this is what Dehli's Hyundai Rotem trains look like.


The Indian Express

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

I think you guys are all taking the complaints about non-essential funding beyond hyperbole, people are and have been somewhat reasonably upset with poorly executed contracts or high executive salaries (not that either of these are really Translinks faults). I don't think theres much complaining about new trains or better stations, with this logic again we may as well just be building tiny concrete boxes instead of these glass covered stations.

There have been people complaining. Anytime there's a line being planned for anywhere in the region, two types of people make an appearance:

1) the nimbys screaming 'not in my backyard' vs
2) the people who complain about it not being in their area so why should they pay anything towards it

Those people then complain about any upgrades done to the line and the stations. Anything beyond the bare minimum gets branded as waste.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by Sheba

There have been people complaining. Anytime there's a line being planned for anywhere in the region, two types of people make an appearance:

1) the nimbys screaming 'not in my backyard' vs
2) the people who complain about it not being in their area so why should they pay anything towards it

Those people then complain about any upgrades done to the line and the stations. Anything beyond the bare minimum gets branded as waste.

Those same people should keep their mouths shut. They'll get something out of it.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

He could just lug a recliner around.

For the record, there was a short period where I would ride the SkyTrain with an office chair so I could always guarantee myself a seat.
Transit police do NOT like you doing this. Boston doesn't like you doing this either.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by MIPS

For the record, there was a short period where I would ride the SkyTrain with an office chair so I could always guarantee myself a seat.
Transit police do NOT like you doing this. Boston doesn't like you doing this either.

This man would like to have a word with you...



Courtesy of Reddit user ReiceMcK

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