Calgary International Airport II - Page 356

thenoflyzone · #**7101** Posted **Feb 23, 2018, 5:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by msmariner

Looks like AC has switched flights from YYC to OGG and CUN next fall from Rouge 767’s to 737 MAX8’s

Are the frequencies staying the same?

YYC-OGG is a perfect route for the Max 8.

YYC-CUN doesn't need the range of the Max 8, and is easily doable with AC's current A319/A320s. Meaning they had put a 763 on the route due to demand. If the frequency is staying the same, then perhaps the demand for a widebody is no longer there, what with 4 carriers competing on the route.

DoubleK · #**7102** Posted **Feb 23, 2018, 5:25 PM**

Can anyone tell me if Westjet flight 1495 (PHX-YYC) has been discontinued? I can't see it on the website anymore.

hollywoodcory · #**7103** Posted **Feb 23, 2018, 5:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Are the frequencies staying the same?

YYC-OGG is a perfect route for the Max 8.

YYC-CUN doesn't need the range of the Max 8, and is easily doable with AC's current A319/A320s. Meaning they had put a 763 on the route due to demand. If the frequency is staying the same, then perhaps the demand for a widebody is no longer there, what with 4 carriers competing on the route.

Looks like OGG is going 4x weekly. (Currently 3x weekly)

I feel like WS will also move the Hawaii flights to the Max8 too.

msmariner · #**7104** Posted **Feb 23, 2018, 5:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

Looks like OGG is going 4x weekly. (Currently 3x weekly)

I feel like WS will also move the Hawaii flights to the Max8 too.

I wonder if they are eliminating the Rouge 763 from YYC? If they are what about the YYC-HNL? Is it going Max as well?

hollywoodcory · #**7105** Posted **Feb 23, 2018, 8:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by msmariner

I wonder if they are eliminating the Rouge 763 from YYC? If they are what about the YYC-HNL? Is it going Max as well?

As of now both PVR and HUX are still a rouge 767 as far as I’m aware. But yeah, it looks like it.

The WS Hawaii flights are still a 767 for next winter for now, but I feel like both OGG and HNL will eventually be moved over to the Max.

Johnny Aussie · #**7106** Posted **Feb 23, 2018, 10:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

In terms of loads, none of the new Rouge 763 routes have performed well, particularly HUX which has performed about as well as the Edmonton Oilers.

WS Hawaii runs out of YYC and YEG on the other hand, are consistently in the 240+ pax range. They'll have to up frequencies if they MAX it.

I had a sneaking suspicion the rouge "experiment" at YYC wouldn't be a winner. That's why HUX was dropped early.

It's a long way off before the next winter scheds are finalised. With rouge coming off CUN and OGG, I won't be surprised if the rouge 763s exit the YYC market.

hollywoodcory · #**7107** Posted **Feb 23, 2018, 10:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I had a sneaking suspicion the rouge "experiment" at YYC wouldn't be a winner. That's why HUX was dropped early.

It's a long way off before the next winter scheds are finalised. With rouge coming off CUN and OGG, I won't be surprised if the rouge 763s exit the YYC market.

Looks like even YVR-Hawaii is also being moved over to the Max too. Also think I read AC won’t have a Rouge pilot base at YVR anymore too?

Curious to see what happens with SJD, PVR and HUX when it’s all said and done.

FormerWingTipper · #**7108** Posted **Feb 24, 2018, 3:23 PM**

Air Canada announced that all YYC/YVR-Hawaii flights will be Mainline B737-8MAX next winter.

Also, YYC/YVR-CUN is going to Mainline B737-8MAX next winter.

And that YVR-KIX is going to Mainline B787-800 in Summer 2019.

Meaning the Rouge Crew Base at YVR will be closed.

The only question that remains is YVR-NGO... does it get axed? Or switched to Mainline. This is yet to be determined.

The other Rouge B767 sun flights could continue on Rouge being rotated from out east.

Meaning, the aircraft goes YUL-PVR-YYC-PVR-YUL or similar.

Johnny Aussie · #**7109** Posted **Feb 24, 2018, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by FormerWingTipper

Air Canada announced that all YYC/YVR-Hawaii flights will be Mainline B737-8MAX next winter.

Also, YYC/YVR-CUN is going to Mainline B737-8MAX next winter.

And that YVR-KIX is going to Mainline B787-800 in Summer 2019.

Meaning the Rouge Crew Base at YVR will be closed.

The only question that remains is YVR-NGO... does it get axed? Or switched to Mainline. This is yet to be determined.

The other Rouge B767 sun flights could continue on Rouge being rotated from out east.

Meaning, the aircraft goes YUL-PVR-YYC-PVR-YUL or similar.

Yes, still some questions out there as to what happens with other routes.

Here are the frequencies highlighted on airliners.net (to be confirmed by any official source though):

YVR-HNL 2 X Daily
YVR-OGG 2 X Daily
YVR-KOA 4 X Weekly
YVR-CUN 4 X Weekly
YVR-ZIH 3 X Weekly
YYC-OGG 4 X Weekly
YYC-CUN 3 X Weekly

Right now YYC-OGG and YYC-CUN are 3 weekly rouge 763 each so those routes will see substantial capacity cuts. But I'd be happy with the superior mainline product vs rouge.

hollywoodcory · #**7110** Posted **Feb 24, 2018, 9:47 PM**

Another question I have is what will happen with NRT with AC phasing out the mainline 767s by the end of next year.

Johnny Aussie · #**7111** Posted **Feb 24, 2018, 9:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

Another question I have is what will happen with NRT with AC phasing out the mainline 767s by the end of next year.

That will have to go back to Dreamliner (if any left!) or perhaps one of the new 333s.

Johnny Aussie · #**7112** Posted **Feb 24, 2018, 10:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

AC's currently deployment of 333 supports the notion of that frame outperforming the 789 on TATL missions, so I'd expect that trend to continue when AC acquires the additional 333. As AC9 is now the best way for YYZ J flyers to get to NRT, I'm sure they'll appreciate the inevitable return of a 789 to the route year-round.

YYC-NRT was a 788. Perhaps YYZ-NRT will return to nonstop as well. The one stop, even though direct, is not competitive with all the other Asian nonstops from YYZ.

Johnny Aussie · #**7113** Posted **Feb 24, 2018, 11:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

I am doubting they will dedicate a 788 to YYC-NRT year-round given their int'l pushes and the scarcity of those 8 frames. Could be wrong.

Yeah.... 788s going to be in short supply.... assuming YVR-KIX goes 788 and not 789... be tough to base a single one at YYC unless they rotate. More interested in winter season how they deal with this.

hollywoodcory · #**7114** Posted **Feb 25, 2018, 12:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yeah.... 788s going to be in short supply.... assuming YVR-KIX goes 788 and not 789... be tough to base a single one at YYC unless they rotate. More interested in winter season how they deal with this.

Perhaps it will be downgraded to summer seasonal again? Unless they can maybe rotate a 788 between YYC-NRT-YUL in the winter?

casper · #**7115** Posted **Feb 25, 2018, 7:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

At certains points I've wondered if AC wishes they had taken just a couple more 788... the question is whether or not the impending 333 acquisition directly gives credence to those suspicions or if 333 will simply fly TATL and free 789 for other missions. They've only got 4 more 789's inbound so I feel like the long term deployment of these frames is becoming less unclear.

Cage, get in here.

I thought the reason they are not buying any more 788 is the operating cost is nearly the same as a 789. If that is the case it would make sense to put 788 on your weakest 789 routes. Similar to what WestJet does with the 737-600 vrs the bigger 737.

Johnny Aussie · #**7116** Posted **Feb 26, 2018, 6:14 PM**

Integra Air appears to be dropping their nonstop YYC-YDQ flights. Last flight 15 March? Lasted about 6 months.
This is on the heels of Integra also appearing to have already dropped YEG-YXH.

Integra Air seems to try new routes only to rewind back to its original YEG-YQL.

Although YYC-YBY seems to be hanging on

Cage · #**7117** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 6:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

At certains points I've wondered if AC wishes they had taken just a couple more 788... the question is whether or not the impending 333 acquisition directly gives credence to those suspicions or if 333 will simply fly TATL and free 789 for other missions. They've only got 4 more 789's inbound so I feel like the long term deployment of these frames is becoming less unclear.

Cage, get in here.

In the beginning of the AC Dreamliner purchase, the plan was to have 15 789s and 22 788s. The actual delivery schedule was adjusted many times to get into the present situation of 8 788s and 29 789s.

The 789s originally purchased to replace the 333s and provide for a modest seat capacity growth on 7 airframes. The 788s were meant to replace 29 763s.

To the best of my knowledge, Boeing's final traunch of Dreamliner compensation for performance expectation gap and delivery delays resulted in most airline getting 789s for the price of 788s. It was for this reason that AC transferred orders to the 789 at the earliest possible point and this left with only 8 788 aircraft in the fleet that were delivered to AC prior to the compensation program.

As to operating costs, the difference between the 333 and the 789 is partly due to the lower weight of the 333 (smaller airplane), but also due to the slower cruise speed, finally the 333 has lower ownership costs than the 789 (excluding the effect of delay and performance compensation).

I have heard the rumor the 333 has a small operating cost advantage compared to the 789 on smaller stage lengths even with aircraft ownership costs removed. This difference is not enough to choose the 333 over more 789. So why did AC replace 763s with 333?

The mystery ingredient, IMHO, is WS locking in the 789 Dreamliner as the future widebody aircraft. AC no longer has to worry about WS putting on lower cost capacity to Europe. Nor does AC have to worry about filling a 300 seat airplane when the competitor only has to fill 220-250 seats. Finally the competitor now is locked into higher aircraft ownership costs than AC’s own 789s.

Had Westjet continued to purchase used 763s for widebody expansion, it very likely AC would have retained their mainline 763s.

msmariner · #**7118** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 3:14 PM**

Isn’t today the day WestJet announces their new Livery?

Robag · #**7119** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 4:35 PM**

Forgive me if this was discussed some time ago, but I am a regular reader on your YYC page, and I really enjoyed the insightful posts from Bigtime. I see Bigtime has not posted since May 2017. Anyone know why we haven't seen posts from Bigtime?

YYCguys · #**7120** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 5:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by msmariner

Isn’t today the day WestJet announces their new Livery?

Tomorrow, the 28th.

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Originally Posted by Robag

Forgive me if this was discussed some time ago, but I am a regular reader on your YYC page, and I really enjoyed the insightful posts from Bigtime. I see Bigtime has not posted since May 2017. Anyone know why we haven't seen posts from Bigtime?

I believe that he has moved over to a different forum. Skyrise Cities, I believe. I think most of the folks with insider information and insightful posts have moved over there.