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Old Posted Feb 17, 2018, 3:34 AM
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History repeating itself. Waste hundreds of millions for a BRT that will be overcapacity in 15 years just to shut it down for 5 years to convert to LRT for billions (likely 4-5 times what it would cost to build LRT in the first place). 5 years when buses will be back on the street in even worse conditions than what we are currently experiencing.

Does this study have any proposals to deal with congestion in downtown Hull? I'm guessing no?
They mentioned in the study findings that BRT has limits so they may go with LRT right away after all
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Étude des besoins et des solutions pour un système de transport collectif structurant dans la partie ouest de la Ville de Gatineau

First blush? Meh. B1 is maybe the best of a bunch of uninspired options. And why does STO make it so hard to get to and from Old Aylmer?
How is it hard to get to Aylmer by bus?
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How is it hard to get to Aylmer by bus?
Old Aylmer: the old griddy part that is the oldest part of the former city of Aylmer.

Much harder than it needs to be, and than it used to be. An organization I was involved with had to move meetings from Aylmer to other parts of Gatineau and Ottawa, as it became impossible for some of us to get there in reasonable time.

Former Gatineau is much easier to reach from the Ottawa side; better routes and frequencies.
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Old Aylmer: the old griddy part that is the oldest part of the former city of Aylmer.

Much harder than it needs to be, and than it used to be. An organization I was involved with had to move meetings from Aylmer to other parts of Gatineau and Ottawa, as it became impossible for some of us to get there in reasonable time.

Former Gatineau is much easier to reach from the Ottawa side; better routes and frequencies.
Well there is a lot more car traffic now than before and the traffic is horrible which is why Gatineau is considering LRT for Aylmer
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They mentioned in the study findings that BRT has limits so they may go with LRT right away after all
That's not what I get from the report.

There is an openness to hearing the case for LRT but the deck seems stacked for BRT when you look at bang for buck and how quickly something can be put in place.
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Does this study have any proposals to deal with congestion in downtown Hull? I'm guessing no?
What congestion are you talking about in downtown Hull? Not saying there isn't any... just wondering about which choke points you have in mind.
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Totally agree! BRT should only be used if it offers a long-term solution, not as a stop-gap measure for 10 or 20 years. The conversion costs and disruption are not worth it.
Looking at growth projections and development patterns in Gatineau, I am not sure at which point in the future we will truly be able to say we critically need to dump BRT and urgently replace it with LRT.

Ottawa admittedly waited about a decade too long to switch its system to rail, but prior to that the Transitway served the city fairly well for about three decades. (And could have served it even longer had they found a way to address the downtown Albert-Slater mess.)

The idea that an extended Rapibus BRT for Gatineau would be at capacity and no longer of any practical use in only 10-15 years has no basis in fact IMO.
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Étude des besoins et des solutions pour un système de transport collectif structurant dans la partie ouest de la Ville de Gatineau

First blush? Meh. B1 is maybe the best of a bunch of uninspired options. And why does STO make it so hard to get to and from Old Aylmer?
The study also says that both the northern (Allumettières) and southern (Taché-Aylmer) corridors will likely have to be used in some capacity.

I am a bit doubtful about this, and unless they can find a hybrid routing (similar to Mr. Fergus' in this thread), they may have to pick and choose winners and losers on this one.

Just like any other RT line anywhere, it can't be all things to all people.

I am not 100% sure but my bet would be on the northern routing as it would be less invasive on existing built form while still being in the middle of fairly populated areas (and that will only get more populated.

Under this scenario Aylmer-Taché would likely for its part see enhanced bus lanes and priority signals...
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Looking at growth projections and development patterns in Gatineau, I am not sure at which point in the future we will truly be able to say we critically need to dump BRT and urgently replace it with LRT.

Ottawa admittedly waited about a decade too long to switch its system to rail, but prior to that the Transitway served the city fairly well for about three decades. (And could have served it even longer had they found a way to address the downtown Albert-Slater mess.)

The idea that an extended Rapibus BRT for Gatineau would be at capacity and no longer of any practical use in only 10-15 years has no basis in fact IMO.
Is the issue of the destination of Gatineau transit in downtown Ottawa being discussed as part of the analysis? It seems to me that this is a tough one when transit's destination is in another jurisdiction. While the choice of BRT in Gatineau may be preferable and the capacity sufficient for a long period of time, what is the impact on downtown Ottawa, if buses remain the method of transport? This is where the two cities may be working at cross purposes. The feds should enter this debate with cash if necessary and the City of Ottawa should be speaking its mind about continuing to be the terminus for Gatineau buses in order to get the feds involved.

At least we need the feds involved in getting the details of an interprovincial rapid transit plan developed to the point when we have a preferred route and connectivity so that when money is available it can be directed that way. We can just look at the Trim Road and airport extensions. They got funded because there was a plan in place. Without a detailed interprovincial plan, there will never be funding.
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Is the issue of the destination of Gatineau transit in downtown Ottawa being discussed as part of the analysis? It seems to me that this is a tough one when transit's destination is in another jurisdiction. While the choice of BRT in Gatineau may be preferable and the capacity sufficient for a long period of time, what is the impact on downtown Ottawa, if buses remain the method of transport? This is where the two cities may be working at cross purposes. The feds should enter this debate with cash if necessary and the City of Ottawa should be speaking its mind about continuing to be the terminus for Gatineau buses in order to get the feds involved.

At least we need the feds involved in getting the details of an interprovincial rapid transit plan developed to the point when we have a preferred route and connectivity so that when money is available it can be directed that way. We can just look at the Trim Road and airport extensions. They got funded because there was a plan in place. Without a detailed interprovincial plan, there will never be funding.
There are lot of "ifs" there.

There is no obvious easy linkage point between Ottawa's LRT system and anywhere on the Gatineau side, and even if there was, Ottawa is already into planning stage 3 which doesn't involve Gatineau in any way. Which is fine - they have to make their own priorities. But just to say that all the energy and resources on the Ottawa side will be busy with other plans for a couple of decades. I know that the Ottawa people have talked about integrating their system better with Gatineau's, but it's not a top-of-mind priority for them.

As for buses in downtown Ottawa, the Confederation Line will reduce the number of OC Transpo buses by what, 70-80%? And the STO already reduced its bus traffic by about 25% when the first Rapibus segment opened.

Under the new plan after the Confederation Line opens most STO buses will use Albert-Slater and Mackenzie King, which will take them off Wellington and Rideau - which was the biggest sore point for Ottawa.

At this point, most bus routes in the central-western part of Gatineau (Hull-Plateau-Aylmer) not served by Rapibus (which is mostly in the east) begin and end in Ottawa. And this isn't just a peak hour express thing as it was on Albert-Slater in the heyday of the Transitway. We're talking the equivalent of all-day local routes from Orleans, Kanata and Barrhaven driving down Rideau at 1 pm in the afternoon before heading down residential streets in the burbs. Obviously a lot of these buses are only partially full or even mainly empty.

BRT in Hull-Plateau-Aylmer would allow for these routes to be removed from downtown Ottawa and replaced with a smaller number of higher-capacity BRT routes that carry way more passengers per vehicle.
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At best Gatineau only has the business case to support one LRT line: conversion of the Rapibus corridor. And that's going to be $1-1.5 billion. Not to mention the added cost of modifying/upgrading the PoW bridge.

They don't have the ridership, population or tax base to support more than that. In-median LRT elsewhere would be expensive and I doubt it would be justifiable on ridership grounds.

BRT is best for them. And if they are going to have LRT anywhere, there's only one corridor where it'd be justified.
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At best Gatineau only has the business case to support one LRT line: conversion of the Rapibus corridor. And that's going to be $1-1.5 billion. Not to mention the added cost of modifying/upgrading the PoW bridge.

They don't have the ridership, population or tax base to support more than that. In-median LRT elsewhere would be expensive and I doubt it would be justifiable on ridership grounds.

BRT is best for them. And if they are going to have LRT anywhere, there's only one corridor where it'd be justified.
And we've discussed a gazillion times on here how spending hundreds of millions on extending the Trillium line over the Prince of Wales Bridge and then along the eastward Rapibus corridor makes absolutely no sense in terms of Gatineau's transportation needs.

We'll never go for that - trust me.
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And we've discussed a gazillion times on here how spending hundreds of millions on extending the Trillium line over the Prince of Wales Bridge and then along the eastward Rapibus corridor makes absolutely no sense in terms of Gatineau's transportation needs.

We'll never go for that - trust me.
What would make more sense?
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What would make more sense?
In the short term, as I suggested in the Revitalization of the Prince of Wales Bridge thread, extending the Rapibus line south from Taché–UQO, over the POW bridge, to Bayview Station. STO could then run buses from Aylmer to Bayview and Labrosse (eventually Lorrain) to Bayview. OC Transpo could run buses from Bayview to Hull.

Until there is money to double track both the Trillium line and the Rapibus corridor, BRT is likely a better option across the river.
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What would make more sense?
I'll sound like a broken record, but the Alexandra Bridge and the old RR right-of-way to Wellington by the Château Laurier.

Upsides:
- Direct route between the two downtowns
- Allows for an underground connection with Rideau LRT
- Allows Gatineau lines from the west to service both Hull and Ottawa along the same route
- The alignment between the bridge and the Château already exists and is largely intact, meaning that it could be built with minimal disruption.
- It could be bundled in with the Alexandra Bridge rebuild, which will be necessary within 15 years according to PWGSC.
- Eventually, a converted Trillium line could also use this route to extend the line from Bayview to Hull and back to Ottawa, reducing pressure on Bayview.
- FWIW, the views from that alignment would be beautiful

Downsides:
- Takes longer than the Wellington buses for anyone west of Bank St.
- The transfer to LRT wouldn't be direct - there'd be a 200m walk to Rideau


A realistic ideal would be to funnel the backbone rail routes (to the west and eventually a converted Rapibus) across the Alexandra Br, but maintain a few Wellington/Portage and Chaudière buses per hour.
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I'll sound like a broken record, but the Alexandra Bridge and the old RR right-of-way to Wellington by the Château Laurier.
So the former photography gallery, now the Parliamentary commitee rooms, would have to be re-demolished?

I would love to see rail transit restored along these lines, but until that happens, I'm quite happy to see it restored across the PoW bridge.
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A little flurry of newspaper articles about the west's study came out in LeDroit today. The first two talk about the puzzling MTQ study guidelines which seem to ignore Ottawa and interprovincial transportation, and how the transport minister (and MNA for Aylmer) is working to ensure that the second complimentary study will focus more closely on it.
The third is about how the transport minister isn't overly concerned about the required investment, and is encouraging the city to not limit itself to the cheapest possible option.

Both of these things bode well for light rail. Or at the very least, it indicates that BRT/BRT-lite is no longer the defacto option as it was just 2-3 years ago. There's an appetite on all levels to go further than a 15-year stopgap system.


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Univers Parallèle

CHRONIQUE / C’est à croire que Transports Québec vit dans un univers parallèle à la Stranger Things.

Je parle de cette nouvelle étude pour améliorer le transport en commun dans l’ouest de Gatineau et solutionner les problèmes croissants de congestion routière dans le secteur Aylmer. Une étude que le ministère québécois des Transports (MTQ) a commandée en 2011 et qu’il a ensuite mis des mois et des mois à rendre publique…

Or qu’est-ce qu’on a appris vendredi, lors du dévoilement tant attendu de cette étude sur le Rapibus de l’Ouest ?

Que le MTQ n’a pas demandé aux consultants de tenir compte d’un détail pourtant incontournable dans l’analyse des différents scénarios : la réalité frontalière. Vous avez bien lu : on a fait comme si Ottawa n’existait pas, comme si 40 % des déplacements effectués par les Gatinois ne se faisaient pas vers un lieu de travail situé à Ottawa.

À qui la faute ? À un mystérieux « guide ministériel » du MTQ qui ne permettait pas d’analyser les possibilités d’arrimage avec le système de transport ottavien. Et bien si le guide était inapproprié, il fallait changer le guide ! Parce qu’aujourd’hui, on se retrouve avec une étude d’un demi-million qui ne répond que partiellement aux nombreuses questions qu’on se pose sur la meilleure solution à retenir pour le futur lien rapide vers l’Ouest.

Parfois, c’est à se demander sur quelle planète vivent les gens du MTQ. Ils n’entendent pas ce qui se dit autour d’eux ? Les maires d’Ottawa et de Gatineau ne cessent d’insister sur la nécessité de bien arrimer leurs deux systèmes de transport en commun. On vient même de créer une instance interprovinciale pour mieux coordonner les efforts en ce domaine.

Quand la Ville d’Ottawa a produit son étude de faisabilité pour l’O-Train, elle a tenu compte du taux d’achaladange de toute la grande région d’Ottawa-Gatineau, pas seulement d’Ottawa. Pourquoi le MTQ n’a-t-il pas fait pareil ? Surtout dans le contexte actuel, où les politiciens de tout acabit se montrent de plus en plus déterminés à faire tomber les barrières interprovinciales.

[...]

Le nouveau ministre québécois des Transports, André Fortin, semble résolu à réajuster le tir. Il a admis que Québec doit cesser d’intervenir en Outaouais comme si l’Ontario n’existait pas. C’est vrai en transport commun, mais je dirais que ça l’est aussi en santé, en éducation, en développement économique, en tourisme… Cette façon de concevoir l’Outaouais comme une planète isolée du reste de la galaxie est contre-productive et alimente cette impression bien ancrée que la région est la grande oubliée du Québec.

Ceci dit, l’étude du MTQ nous apprend au moins deux choses utiles.

D’abord qu’un service rapide par autobus vers Aylmer deviendrait saturé très rapidement et n’est donc pas une solution viable à long terme. Bien que beaucoup plus chère, l’option d’un tramway/train léger mérite donc d’être considérée très sérieusement. D’autant plus que le fédéral est prêt à ouvrir ses goussets pour financer ce genre de projet et que Gatineau se doterait alors d’une technologie compatible avec celle de sa voisine Ottawa.

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Une réalité régionale oubliée

L’étude rendue publique avec un an de retard par la STO, vendredi dernier, sur le futur lien rapide de transport en commun vers l’ouest fait la démonstration que le ministère des Transports du Québec doit changer ses façons de faire en Outaouais, reconnaît le ministre André Fortin.

Cette première analyse réalisée par le consortium Roche-Genivar révèle qu’un système rapide par bus (SRB) est l’option la plus avantageuse par rapport aux coûts, malgré son « risque important de saturation à long terme ». Il en coûterait environ 200 millions $ pour un SRB, alors que l’aménagement d’un système léger sur rails pourrait s’élever à plus de 800 millions $. L’étude ne prend toutefois pas en considération l’arrimage avec le système de train léger déployé à Ottawa, la population qui transite chaque jour entre les deux rives et l’impact sur la valeur foncière des propriétés avoisinantes au tracé.

« L’étude a quand même relevé certains points fondamentaux qu’il fallait mesurer, mais il va falloir s’assurer, à l’avenir, qu’à chaque fois qu’il y a une étude faite en Outaouais de bien prendre en considération la réalité régionale, a affirmé le ministre Fortin en entrevue avec Le Droit. On ne peut pas ignorer qu’il y a une ville de plusieurs centaines de milliers d’habitants à quelques mètres de chez nous. On ne peut pas ignorer non plus qu’une grande partie de la population se déplace d’une rive à l’autre chaque jour. »

Les processus internes au MTQ et les façons concrètes de travailler de ses fonctionnaires en Outaouais sont ainsi appelés à changer pour éviter d’autres études qui ignorent complètement la réalité régionale. Des critères d’évaluation propres à l’Outaouais seront développés.

" Dans les processus internes du MTQ, il faudra maintenant s’assurer que lorsqu’on étudie l’Outaouais, qu’on étudie la réalité des gens et non pas simplement en fonction de nos critères habituels, a ajouté le ministre. Quand on va entreprendre des études en Outaouais, que ce soit sur la circulation automobile, les projets de transport en commun ou encore les études origine-destination des citoyens, il faudra s’assurer de considérer que les gens n’arrêtent pas leur trajet une fois arrivés devant un pont. "

[...]

Cette reconnaissance par le ministre des Transports du Québec des limites de cette première étude devrait rassurer le député fédéral de Hull-Aylmer, Greg Fergus, et la présidente de la STO, Myriam Nadeau qui ont tous deux émis des réserves, vendredi, à la suite de sa publication par le transporteur public. « Quand Ottawa a produit son étude de faisabilité pour l’O-Train, elle a pris en compte le taux d’achalandage de la grande région d’Ottawa-Gatineau, la STO devrait faire de même », a indiqué M. Fergus. Mme Nadeau a affirmé qu’il était du « devoir » de la STO d’aller au-delà des conclusions de cette étude.

Le ministre Fortin a mentionné qu’il avait « hâte » de voir les résultats de la deuxième étude -attendue dans un an- sur le lien rapide vers l’ouest. « Elle est nécessaire, dit-il. Elle viendra vraiment préciser quel type d’infrastructure et quels tracés sont les plus souhaitables », a-t-il ajouté.

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Un système rapide par bus (SRB) pour desservir la population d’Aylmer est voué à une saturation à long terme et attirerait moins de non-usagers à utiliser le transport collectif qu’un train léger. Ces deux données issues de l’étude publiée par la Société de transport de l’Outaouais (STO), vendredi, interpellent particulièrement le ministre des Transports du Québec, André Fortin.

«Quand on parle de projets majeurs d’infrastructure, d’investissements publics majeurs de la part des gouvernements, on ne peut pas penser uniquement à court terme, insiste M. Fortin. Il ne faut pas simplement s’arrêter au prix, mais il faut aussi s’assurer d’avoir un système qui sera utilisé par un maximum de personnes. Il ne faut surtout pas s’empêcher d’innover, de regarder ce qui se fait de mieux, ce qui se fait de mieux pour demain. Il ne faut pas s’attacher les mains avec un projet ou un autre avant d’avoir les résultats de la deuxième étude. Moi, je veux qu’on me présente les projets les plus ambitieux possible.»

Même si le député fédéral de Hull-Aylmer, Greg Fergus, ainsi que le maire de Gatineau, Maxime Pedneaud-Jobin, ont déjà fait leur lit quant au mode de transport à privilégier pour desservir l’ouest de la ville au cours des prochaines décennies, le ministre Fortin, pour sa part, se garde bien pour l’instant de prendre clairement position en faveur d’une technologie ou une autre.

Ce dernier est toutefois clair quant aux attentes qu’il a envers le prochain grand projet d’infrastructure à Gatineau. «Moi, j’ai une préférence pour un système qui est bien arrimé avec celui d’Ottawa, dit-il. Je veux un système qui prend en considération les besoins réels de la population d’aujourd’hui, mais aussi de celle de demain. On voit les projets [de transport] à Ottawa. Nous, on veut rendre la vie la plus simple possible aux citoyens. Si on veut leur éviter un maximum de correspondances et de contraintes, il faut y penser. Il faut rendre l’utilisation du transport en commun la plus simple possible. C’est d’ailleurs un critère important qui fait en sorte que les gens prennent ou ne prennent pas le transport en commun.»

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The third is about how the transport minister isn't overly concerned about the required investment, and is encouraging the city to not limit itself to the cheapest possible option.
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We'll see how long that money-is-not-necessarily-an-object optimism lasts...

(And I'd say it's probably a good idea to check out what the CAQ's positions are regarding funding for transit projects. )
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So the former photography gallery, now the Parliamentary commitee rooms, would have to be re-demolished?
Yes, but those committee rooms sit largely unused as it is, having been made mostly redundant with the re-opening of Wellington Block. It's not a big obstacle to overcome.

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I would love to see rail transit restored along these lines, but until that happens, I'm quite happy to see it restored across the PoW bridge.
I hear you, but from a Gatineau perspective, any line which finishes at Bayview without serving downtown Hull or Ottawa just isn't worth any investment since the service would be slower than it is today. At best, a shuttle or an extension across could be an appendage to the existing bus network. But there's no way that it could replace any significant portion of it, and there's no way that the City would invest $100M's in it.
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