Great Lakes Cities - Page 39

10023 · #**761** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 3:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Docere

Yes, Toronto does feel more "eastern" in that sense. And it is on the easternmost of the Great Lakes!

Toronto isn’t so much eastern as it just stayed British for much longer.

Crawford · #**762** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 3:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Crawford only agrees with Census data when it shows that something bad is going on in the Midwest. When something good is going on in the midwest, sources like the Census and Wikipedia are “fake news”.

Newsflash: We're talking Windsor, Canada, not the Midwest.

You seriously need to grow up. Census data, from coast to coast, in both U.S. and Canada, shows minimal Italian immigration since forever. Has nothing to do with the Midwest.

Crawford · #**763** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 3:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by north 42

Look, I live in this city, I think I know better than you!

Well that settles it. In order to determine facts, we should ask local homers, and ignore Census data. Sorry, but no.

the urban politician · #**764** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 4:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

Newsflash: We're talking Windsor, Canada, not the Midwest.

Toronto, Windsor, midwest, it’s all the same to you. You want to see them in as negative a light as possible. Good data you ignore, bad data you’re all over it. Everyone knows what makes you tick

dc_denizen · #**765** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 4:29 PM**

Here are all the great lakes cities by population, with 'cities' defined as contiguous urban areas rather than MSA/CSA etc (the best definition IMO).

Chicago 9.14 million (includes Kenosha)
Toronto 6.53 million (includes Hamilton)
Detroit 3.73 million (excludes Windsor, Flint etc)
Cleveland 1.76 million
Milwaukee 1.40 million
Buffalo 0.930 million
Rochester 0.725 million
Toledo, OH 0.5 million
Windsor, ON 0.285 million
Erie, PA 0.195 million

Land area:

Chicago 2,647 sq miles
Toronto 888 sq miles
Detroit 1,335 sq miles
Cleveland 772 sq miles
Milwaukee 546 sq miles
Buffalo 380 sq miles
Rochester 325 sq miles
Toledo, OH 240 sq miles
Windsor, ON 68 sq miles
Erie, PA 82 sq miles

http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf

the urban politician · #**766** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 4:41 PM**

Detroit is closer to 5 million

Razor · #**767** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 5:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Detroit is closer to 5 million

Yes, and I also thought that Buffalo was more like 1.2 or something.

The North One · #**768** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 5:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

Well that settles it. In order to determine facts, we should ask local homers, and ignore Census data. Sorry, but no.

It's true that Italians don't immigrate to the US as much, but do you have data for Italian immigration in Windsor? or at least just Ontario? I would imagine Canada being pro-immigration (at least, pro-educated-immigration) would have higher numbers.

Crawford · #**769** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 5:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Everyone knows what makes you tick

LOL! Oh, the irony.

dc_denizen · #**770** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 5:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by Razor

Yes, and I also thought that Buffalo was more like 1.2 or something.

That’s the msa

shappy · #**771** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 5:51 PM**

Has Kingston, ON been mentioned yet? Far eastern Lake Ontario. Pretty town with a strong British influence in the core and archetypal Great Lakes looking post Victorian neighbourhoods.

If Winnipeg was on a Great Lake it would hands down be the best Canadian example of a typical Great Lakes city.

softee · #**772** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 5:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Detroit is closer to 5 million

Those aren't metro populations, they are urban area populations. Only continuously built up areas that meet a certain threshold in population density are counted.

dc_denizen · #**773** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 6:40 PM**

what would you say is

1. the (aesthetically) best of the housing stock in each of the major great lakes urban areas?
2. the most typical example of the urban area's housing stock (prewar)?
3. the most typical example of the urban area's housing stock (postwar)?

pics please!

dc_denizen · #**774** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 6:40 PM**

Lakewood, OH seems to have some great homes.

iheartthed · #**775** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 7:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Capsicum

Do many people agree with Toronto's placement on the eastern end of a "Great Lakes" megaregion?

It should probably include Montreal as well. There is very little interruption in development from Detroit to Montreal.

Docere · #**776** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 7:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by shappy

If Winnipeg was on a Great Lake it would hands down be the best Canadian example of a typical Great Lakes city.

Yeah, in a lot of Winnipeg ways is more similar to a US Great Lakes city than Toronto is. Almost like a Buffalo on the Great Plains or something.

Capsicum · #**777** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 7:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by 10023

Toronto isn’t so much eastern as it just stayed British for much longer.

Does a "British" feel make cities more like the eastern seaboard than the Midwest? Do you mean demographically, culturally or architecturally?

Capsicum · #**778** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 7:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

It should probably include Montreal as well. There is very little interruption in development from Detroit to Montreal.

One could include the entire US Great Lakes region together with Canada's most populated area, going past the border from Detroit to the whole of the Windsor-Quebec city corridor. Then it would roughly correspond to an entire Great Lakes-St. Lawrence river area.

Would be larger than the Northeast in population if using the more expansive definition, and would serve as a "freshwater" counterpart to the eastern seaboard.

Capsicum · #**779** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 7:57 PM**

Would you guys say that the Northeast and Midwestern/Great Lakes Megapolis has little overlap geographically with one another on the map?

In New York state they have separate zones of influence, with upstate NY being part of the Great Lakes Megapolis, and anywhere downstate and close to the city enough to get NYC's influence would be Northeast.

North of the border, Montreal and Quebec city are separated by a lot of land between the populated areas of New England and the Northeast but you can still argue there's some connection even if more historic than present (eg. French Canadian migration to the New England area back in the later 1800s and earlier part of the 1900s), as well as Vermont, NH, Maine etc. still having that influence.

However, more people seem, as the article on Wikipedia linked to the megaregions map implies, to tie Quebec more to the Midwest (via the Quebec city-Windsor corridor) than to the Northeast.

Sun Belt · #**780** Posted **Feb 17, 2018, 8:47 PM**

Some of these regions make sense and others cover such a huge region it's a bit of a stretch. The West's regions seem appropriate.

Is OKC shaded in green as if it's in the Texas Triangle? Or is Lexington, Kentucky really part of the Great Lakes Region? How is Memphis a part of the Piedmont Atlantic region?