PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX

[Knight Hospitaller]

^ I remember when it was supposed to be an HQ tower for CoreStates, which obviously fell through.

[Gonzo the Great]

Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

^ I remember when it was supposed to be an HQ tower for CoreStates, which obviously fell through.

Ok , now you went and done it . My curiosity is making my head explode .

After reading more than a dozen posts about this wasted diamond in the rough ,
and not truly understanding why the lease has been extended way out beyond the
life expectancy of Galapagos turtles , was there ever a rendering / elevation / sketch
up of the CoreState tower suggested for this location . It would be interesting to see
what might have been ....... in place of what will remain for the next two and a half
years .... or more .

Thanks for posting that piece of information . I remain ,

[Urbanthusiat]

Originally Posted by Gonzo the Great

Ok , now you went and done it . My curiosity is making my head explode .

After reading more than a dozen posts about this wasted diamond in the rough, and not truly understanding why the lease has been extended way out beyond the life expectancy of Galapagos turtles , was there ever a rendering / elevation / sketch up of the CoreState tower suggested for this location .

Check this out: http://mycitypaper.com/Blogs/PHILAPHILIA-Dead-Ass-Proposal-of-the-Week-Corestates-Financial-Center/

[Mappy]

I know its a bit off topic, but that image from Anthony Weiss's Flickr brings it up...

Im doing a crowd size analysis of the Eagles parade since the Manchester Metro U. analysis published in the Inquirer if flagrantly wrong. The Flickr photos from Anthony Weiss helped me fill in some crowd around the City Hall area, but Im trying to find good aerial/overhead images around 17th Street, and all the way along Broad street.

If anyone knows of some good sources in those area PLEASE let me know with links

Here is what I've digitized so far.



I'm using three crowd densities
2.5 = shoulder to shoulder
9 = clustered with [literally] elbow-room
25 = spread out clusters, cannot touch with outstretched hands

Im guessing the MMU analysis used a single density for everywhere, and was lazy with depicting where the crowds actually were... we'll see once im done

[Brandywine Rocks]

Originally Posted by Mappy

I know its a bit off topic, but that image from Anthony Weiss's Flickr brings it up...

Im doing a crowd size analysis of the Eagles parade since the Manchester Metro U. analysis published in the Inquirer if flagrantly wrong. The Flickr photos from Anthony Weiss helped me fill in some crowd around the City Hall area, but Im trying to find good aerial/overhead images around 17th Street, and all the way along Broad street.

Perhaps these outrageous parade attendance guesses are simply part of urban legend.

The logistics of 2-3 million people on Broad+ BF Parkway doesnt seem plausible. The photo below is a good crux of the parade crowd and it looks to the naked eye maybe 15,000 people in that photo.

Theres only 6-7 Million people in the entire metro . There are some estimates that want you to believe 3 Million were at the parade, thats 1 out of every 2 people in the region attending the parade. It's more likely like 1 out of every 10 people attendedd imo. Which puts the number right at 600k-700k.

I think all these crazy estimates for parades have been overdone.

[iheartphilly]

^
I agree. There's always hype in the estimates of crowd size. My guess is above 500k but below 1 million.

[iamrobk]

Originally Posted by Mappy

I know its a bit off topic, but that image from Anthony Weiss's Flickr brings it up...

Im doing a crowd size analysis of the Eagles parade since the Manchester Metro U. analysis published in the Inquirer if flagrantly wrong. The Flickr photos from Anthony Weiss helped me fill in some crowd around the City Hall area, but Im trying to find good aerial/overhead images around 17th Street, and all the way along Broad street.

If anyone knows of some good sources in those area PLEASE let me know with links

Here is what I've digitized so far.



I'm using three crowd densities
2.5 = shoulder to shoulder
9 = clustered with [literally] elbow-room
25 = spread out clusters, cannot touch with outstretched hands

Im guessing the MMU analysis used a single density for everywhere, and was lazy with depicting where the crowds actually were... we'll see once im done

No pictures to add, but you need to increase the amount of people on Pennsylvania Ave up to 25th Street. I was there, and honestly PA Ave felt more packed than the actual area in front of the Art Museum lol.

All that said, I agree that estimates close to ~2m are probably off, but I think it was likely 750k-1m people, particularly if you include the up to 100k or so people who live nearby (Greater Center City, University City, etc.) and walked over for a minute out of curiosity and then left. Hell, that's what my mother did and she lives out in the suburbs (she otherwise hung out at my dad's office all day watching it on TV).

[MichaelScottsOffice]

I agree. City officials seem to always exaggerate on the numbers of how many people actually attended. They always want the next parade to be bigger than the last creating ever more outrageous numbers. The most ridiculous being the Chicago Cubs parade where it was claimed to be 5 million that attended where in reality it was probably 1/5 or 1/4 that number. I believe it was still one of the largest championship celebration parades ever seen in this country but the numbers projected for their parade route were physically impossible.. yet news outlets never bothered to question how realistic those numbers could be, I guess record turnouts sell more papers.

[Gonzo the Great]

Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat

Check this out: http://mycitypaper.com/Blogs/PHILAPHILIA-Dead-Ass-Proposal-of-the-Week-Corestates-Financial-Center/

Urban ... tons of thanks for finding that proposal picture . I tried to track it down in the database to no avail . I didn't realize the lot
has been available since 1979 ...... holy bird shit , batman .

[Mappy]

Originally Posted by iamrobk

No pictures to add, but you need to increase the amount of people on Pennsylvania Ave up to 25th Street. I was there, and honestly PA Ave felt more packed than the actual area in front of the Art Museum lol.

Thanks for the input. Im only digitizing crowds I have images for, while the parade buses are in that area, and improving the details as I find better and better pictures.

for Pennsylvania Ave I based it on some news choppers pics from the local news like this one.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Brandywine Rocks

Perhaps these outrageous parade attendance guesses are simply part of urban legend.

The logistics of 2-3 million people on Broad+ BF Parkway doesnt seem plausible. The photo below is a good crux of the parade crowd and it looks to the naked eye maybe 15,000 people in that photo.

Theres only 6-7 Million people in the entire metro . There are some estimates that want you to believe 3 Million were at the parade, thats 1 out of every 2 people in the region attending the parade. It's more likely like 1 out of every 10 people attendedd imo. Which puts the number right at 600k-700k.

I think all these crazy estimates for parades have been overdone.

Don't forget, there were a lot of people from outside the metro in attendance as well (I didn't go into too detailed of talks with strangers, but people, but I personally ran into people from Baltimore, North Jersey, Providence and Minneapolis) and, as some have said below, if you include the people who popped their heads out for a few minutes or watched from their office or apartment in the second most dense downtown in the country, then I think even the visible crowd shots are undercutting how many people partook.

I'm not going to make any guesses at actual size, but I will say it was significantly more than the Phillies parade 10 years ago (the fact that it ended on the Parkway definitely helped). So whatever you estimate that was, add at least a quarter to it, if not more.

[Jawnadelphia]

Mappy:


Phila. Eagles Super Bowl Championship Parade by Philadelphia MDO Special Events, on Flickr


Phila. Eagles Super Bowl Championship Parade by Philadelphia MDO Special Events, on Flickr


Phila. Eagles Super Bowl Championship Parade by Philadelphia MDO Special Events, on Flickr[/IMG]

That album has some good ones.

But, how do you account for all of the people "in buildings" -- but on rooftop, balconies, parking garages, etc .... I was on a rooftop over looking the Parkway, and it was shoulder-to-shoulder, literally as packed as it could get. The cops came up at one point because building management was freaking out (also people were climbing on top of areas close to the HVAC units).

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Sorry for anyone who doesn't care -- but I've always been fascinated by crowd size estimates as well. I'm not sure where the Phillies 2 million figure came from, because as someone who attended both -- the Eagles was insane (much bigger).

[mousquet]

Oh dear, these peaceful happy crowds are sweet... That's an unparalleled atmosphere.
Thanks for the pics. I could live it as a kid for the 1998 world cup here. It was like millions of happy people in the streets, the poor partying with the better off. All the streets were filled with people, from all over the metro area, that's large.
It was something.

[Mr Saturn64]

Don't know if anyone posted this, but this showed up at One Liberty Observation Deck.

[TechTalkGuy]

Mr Saturn64, someone working at Liberty Place is a member of this forum.

[acenturi]

Originally Posted by TallCoolOne

[IMG][ximg]https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4757/26288639678_0e0271755b_h.jpg[/img]_MG_6690-Pano.jpg by Anthony Weiss, on Flickr[/IMG]

The city should send this photo as an addendum to its Amazon HQ2 Proposal, with the caption: "If you select Philly for HQ2, each of these people will buy an Echo"
(Image referenced only - See Original Post 8084789)

[kingtut]

Although getting Amazon to chose Philly with God only knows what incentives , would be a good thing . I have to ask why can't they use the same incentives and vigor to attract and cultivate more start-ups and bring in more health science firms . I would rather see 100 smaller companies like Inovio . Amazon could harm Phillys Bio Tech Industry ? http://ir.inovio.com/news-and-media/news...Granted-US-Patents-for-2016/default.aspx

[Nova08]

Philadelphia hotel performance remains strong amid competition from Airbnb, lodging alternatives: Report

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia...el-performance-occupancy-airbnb-jll.html

2017 was record year for Philadelphia hotel properties; Center City hotel occupancy was 78.2 percent, according to STR and CBRE Hotels, representing a small change from the 78 percent reported in 2016, which had the highest occupancy in 70 years. Hotels hit the 78.2 percent figure despite a 4.5 percent increase in the number of hotel rooms, a result of six new hotels that includes the AKA University City.

Airbnb cumulative rentals exponentially grew in Philadelphia since 2014; Airbnb was legalized in Philadelphia in July 2015. Cumulative rentals in Center City, for example, to date grew 680 percent since 2014.

[Milksteak]

Originally Posted by kingtut

Although getting Amazon to chose Philly with God only knows what incentives , would be a good thing . I have to ask why can't they use the same incentives and vigor to attract and cultivate more start-ups and bring in more health science firms . I would rather see 100 smaller companies like Inovio . Amazon could harm Phillys Bio Tech Industry ? http://ir.inovio.com/news-and-media/news...Granted-US-Patents-for-2016/default.aspx

I think you're comparing apples to massive out of this world oranges. The incentives that the city is throwing at Amazon are most likely unparalleled to anything the city has offered any company in the past. I agree that Philly could do more to foster startups, but that has to do with the current laws and taxes in place, not so much 'if you come here, we will give you this'. They are trying to get 50,000 high paying jobs in one fell swoop instead of convincing 1,000 different 50 person companies to come into the city (which they are still trying to do, just not by offering freebies). Don't get me wrong, 50,000 employees from a number of different startups is equally as (or more) beneficial than one 50,000 person conglomerate, but it's a different beast.

I'm hoping once the CTC is finished, Comcast will truly become an incubator for tech startups and Philly can truly become an East Coast tech hub.

[allovertown]

Originally Posted by kingtut

Although getting Amazon to chose Philly with God only knows what incentives , would be a good thing . I have to ask why can't they use the same incentives and vigor to attract and cultivate more start-ups and bring in more health science firms . I would rather see 100 smaller companies like Inovio . Amazon could harm Phillys Bio Tech Industry ? http://ir.inovio.com/news-and-media/news...Granted-US-Patents-for-2016/default.aspx

100 Smaller companies, especially start ups would not net 50,000 jobs. It's more like 1,000 smaller companies. This is why Philly is willing to offer Amazon incentives unlike anything they'd be willing to offer a 50 person company.

Edit: Milksteak already said it better right above me.