Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[LDROttawa]

I've been following this thread for a while but just got around to joining, so bear with me..

I was a little miffed by the delayed opening, but I think this CBC article explains it well: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/rtg-not-pay-1m-penalty-misses-deadline-1.4522684

Basically because back in November they never said they would meet the May date, they don't have to pay the fine. Figures...

On a second note, I have a question I've been unable to find an answer for: once the Confederation line opens, will any local buses be connecting at Cyrville station? From what I can see, they won't, which to me seems like such a waste as the station itself is pretty isolated. It's the closest station to where I live, but would still be a 14 min walk, so I'd love it if there was a connecting bus I could catch.

[Truenorth00]

I predict in service days before election. RTG has to make it a month early.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by LDROttawa

I've been following this thread for a while but just got around to joining, so bear with me..

I was a little miffed by the delayed opening, but I think this CBC article explains it well: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/rtg-not-pay-1m-penalty-misses-deadline-1.4522684

Basically because back in November they never said they would meet the May date, they don't have to pay the fine. Figures...

On a second note, I have a question I've been unable to find an answer for: once the Confederation line opens, will any local buses be connecting at Cyrville station? From what I can see, they won't, which to me seems like such a waste as the station itself is pretty isolated. It's the closest station to where I live, but would still be a 14 min walk, so I'd love it if there was a connecting bus I could catch.

Welcome to the forum!

I unfortunately don't have a reference, but I seem to remember reading that all but one station will have connecting bus routes. I would assume uOttawa is the only station that won't be served by buses (for obvious reasons).

[1overcosc]

I think there is a local route that stops at Cyrville in the future plans.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by LDROttawa

On a second note, I have a question I've been unable to find an answer for: once the Confederation line opens, will any local buses be connecting at Cyrville station? From what I can see, they won't, which to me seems like such a waste as the station itself is pretty isolated. It's the closest station to where I live, but would still be a 14 min walk, so I'd love it if there was a connecting bus I could catch.

The last time I saw a map of post-LRT bus plans there were no connections to Cyrville station planned. Local buses North of the Queensway in the vicinity (24, and to some extent the 19 and 27) connect to St. Laurent station.

[acottawa]

p.24 of the attached deck.

http://www.tobinussbaum.ca/sites/default...st-of-the-Rideau-Transit-Forum-FINAL.pdf

[LDROttawa]

Originally Posted by acottawa

p.24 of the attached deck.

http://www.tobinussbaum.ca/sites/default...st-of-the-Rideau-Transit-Forum-FINAL.pdf

Thanks.

Seems like such a waste to not serve the station, but I guess they just wanted everything to start/end at St. Laurent.

[J.OT13]

That's a pretty big fail.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by LDROttawa

Thanks.

Seems like such a waste to not serve the station, but I guess they just wanted everything to start/end at St. Laurent.

St Laurent is a more efficient transfer point (dedicated bus platform, service desk, driver office, access to mall amenities).

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by acottawa

St Laurent is a more efficient transfer point (dedicated bus platform, service desk, driver office, access to mall amenities).

St-Laurent is a good spot for routes to start/terminate, but Cyrville is a solid secondary route, one of a few n/s arteries crossing the Queensway that serves a decent amount of jobs and residential (and of course, an LRT station). It could be used to take some pressure off Blair and St-Laurent. I can't find any reasons why it can't have at least one bus route every 20 minutes.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

St-Laurent is a good spot for routes to start/terminate, but Cyrville is a solid secondary route, one of a few n/s arteries crossing the Queensway that serves a decent amount of jobs and residential (and of course, an LRT station). It could be used to take some pressure off Blair and St-Laurent. I can't find any reasons why it can't have at least one bus route every 20 minutes.

Why don't they split route 42 in half and have both halves continue along Cyrville to St-Laurent (I suspect there isn't a lot of synergy between the two halves of the route)? The 24 could then continue straight along Ogilvie instead of doing that little detour to Cyrville.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

St-Laurent is a good spot for routes to start/terminate, but Cyrville is a solid secondary route, one of a few n/s arteries crossing the Queensway that serves a decent amount of jobs and residential (and of course, an LRT station). It could be used to take some pressure off Blair and St-Laurent. I can't find any reasons why it can't have at least one bus route every 20 minutes.

If they diverted an existing route to serve Cyrville station instead of St Laurent people would probably find it less convenient. If there was a new route to serve Cyrville it would be a pretty low demand route (Cyrville has no residents and little employment).

Another option would be to divert an Innes route to Cyrville station (such as the 94). Riders may find it less convenient than Blair.

[LDROttawa]

Originally Posted by acottawa

St Laurent is a more efficient transfer point (dedicated bus platform, service desk, driver office, access to mall amenities).

I get that, but it just seems odd to have no buses service Cyrville, especially considering how isolated the station is - walking will be the only way out. The walkable area around the station (I believe the standard they use is 800m) doesn't cover that much, and it's not very pedestrian friendly. I made a quick map showing what is covered.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by acottawa

If they diverted an existing route to serve Cyrville station instead of St Laurent people would probably find it less convenient. If there was a new route to serve Cyrville it would be a pretty low demand route (Cyrville has no residents and little employment).

The 42 bypasses St-Laurent, on its route from Blair to Hurdman

Another option would be to divert an Innes route to Cyrville station (such as the 94). Riders may find it less convenient than Blair.

Won't the 94 terminate at Blair post LRT?

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by LDROttawa

I get that, but it just seems odd to have no buses service Cyrville, especially considering how isolated the station is - walking will be the only way out. The walkable area around the station (I believe the standard they use is 800m) doesn't cover that much, and it's not very pedestrian friendly. I made a quick map showing what is covered.

Yes, but the area outside of the circle is either walking distance to St Laurent or Blair stations or accessible to a bus route that serves one of those stations.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

The city and RTG agreed that May 24, 2018 would be that date (the city’s own preparations and rehearsals would take a few weeks beyond that). RTG supposedly said they thought they could hit it. The city said no, we don’t think so, take until November.

From this it sounds like it was the city who decided to delay the transfer date, not the RTG.

[lrt's friend]

There is going to be increasing intensification on Cyrville Road. The solution is to run the 94 to St. Laurent via Cyrville (I am sure there is already demand for that anyways) and the 24 can run in a straight line on Ogilvie instead of the current diversion to Cyrville. There are 5 bus routes on Blair during peak periods for those needing to connect at Blair. I might even extend the 26 into the Startop area and run the 42 straight down Innes. Just a thought of moving away from meandering bus routes beyond locals.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

As acottawa pointed out, the real issue isn't the delay, it's that we didn't hear about it officially until now and until quite recently everyone involved was denying the delay.

We should have known, publically and officially, that a schedule slip was likely a year ago.

Yes, that's the real issue. Unfortunately, it's par for the course for the Watson-led council.

[Vixx]

Main issue I have is the date of when the Confederation line is expected to open. An end of November opening date has 🞵🞵🞵🞵 show screaming all over it. Middle of school season, near the holidays, likely bad weather etc. Even an October date would've been a bit better.

Realistically most of us believed, a long time ago, that the opening date would be pushed back. That's fine, it's a huge project bound to run into some difficulties, but the fact they waited so long to announce the push back is stupid.

If RTG thought they could've hit the target date, why didn't the city say "okay, but in case you don't since odds aren't in your favour, we'll give you guys an extension of about 2 months" so that this thing could still be opening while its warm out and before September came in. If they failed to deliver by September, then the city could collect the million dollar penalty. It's not much in the grand scheme of things, but I can name a couple of roads that sure could use a repaving.

[lrt's friend]

There is no guarantee that an early November turn over will mean that they can actually start service at the end of November. If problems are found during final training and testing, there could be further delays.