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No but these are the types of places used for these surveys.
Exactly: the methodology is bunk.
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Then why don't most high tech companies locate in Redneck Town, Dixie? Why do companies pay a huge premium to locate in Silicon Valley, Seattle, New York, London, Shanghai, etc?
Because that's where the head dude or dudes tend to want to live (based on their urbane preferences), and they are the ones who call the shots?
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Because that's where the head dude or dudes tend to want to live (based on their urbane preferences), and they are the ones who call the shots?
Even if that were the only reason, why would Amazon be immune from the same considerations?
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Even if that were the only reason, why would Amazon be immune from the same considerations?
I dunno. What cities does Bezos like? He seems to like Seattle. That's all I know for the moment.
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Even if that were the only reason, why would Amazon be immune from the same considerations?
I think a lot of it comes down to, as you said, what exactly Amazon is hoping to achieve with HQ2. If the goal is for the 50,000 jobs to be relatively "unglamorous" jobs like distribution, customer support, and low-level IT (like testing only, for example), making it play second fiddle to Seattle where all the executives and talented tech workers would remain, then yes, it could go pretty much anywhere in the US, and cost of doing business + availability of tax incentives would be pretty much the sole consideration. Atlanta would be a great fit.

But if the goal is for HQ2 to be a true HQ, with lots of corporate executives and top tech talent, then the big liberal cities are the clear winners despite how expensive they are, and Toronto has a very good shot.

Amazon's statements have kind of been in the middle of these versions. On the one hand they keep playing up tax incentives which suggests the first option, but on the other they keep talking about HQ2 being a "full and equal" HQ on par with Seattle, which suggests the second option.
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this post has become unbearable with the amount of stereotyping being cast on Atlanta... laughable and only as best as Ottawa can do...
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An interesting take on the Amazon bid

Video is not there... it relates to chicago but worth a read

https://m.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/arch...why-amazons-hq2-would-be-bad-for-chicago
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http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/201...arters-known-as-hq2-can-new-york-deliver

An interesting article about where Amazon could put HQ2 in NYC, including the WTC.
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Just one Canadian city (Toronto) on the finalist list.

https://www.amazon.com/b?node=17044620011
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Not surprised that Ottawa didn't make it, it looks like population was a big factor in Amazon's shortlist, the CSAs of all the cities chosen are much larger than Ottawa.

I don't think Toronto, despite making the shortlist, really has any chance either, especially not with Trump's recent tax cuts.
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Ottawa is out of the running for Amazon's new headquarters HQ2

Amazon releases list of 20 cities that will move to the next phase of its selection process for its second headquarters


Amazon released its list of cities Thursday that will move to the next phase of its selection process for its second headquarters. Toronto was the only Canadian location on the 20-city list that were chosen after reviewing 238 proposals.

Here’s the list:

– Toronto, ON

– Atlanta, GA

– Austin, TX

– Boston, MA

– Chicago, IL

– Columbus, OH

– Dallas, TX

– Denver, CO

– Indianapolis, IN

– Los Angeles, CA

– Miami, FL

– Montgomery County, MD

– Nashville, TN

– Newark, NJ

– New York City, NY

– Northern Virginia, VA

– Philadelphia, PA

– Pittsburgh, PA

– Raleigh, NC

– Washington D.C.
http://ottawacitizen.com/technology/toro...ab4-bd51-2c99d607868a?platform=hootsuite
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3 finalists in the Metro Washington area. Seems like the new front runner (especially since Bezos has been putting down roots in the area).
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This dec 31st prediction was quite right!
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Not surprised that Ottawa didn't make it, it looks like population was a big factor in Amazon's shortlist, the CSAs of all the cities chosen are much larger than Ottawa.

I don't think Toronto, despite making the shortlist, really has any chance either, especially not with Trump's recent tax cuts.
Montreal would have been the cheapest place to go, but it didn't make the cut.
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Montreal would have been the cheapest place to go, but it didn't make the cut.
It doesn't seem like cost was a big factor (at least in making the first cut). They short-listed several expensive cities (Metro Washington, Metro New York, Boston, LA, Miami, Toronto).
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Ottawa is out of the running for Amazon's new headquarters HQ2
Amazon releases list of 20 cities that will move to the next phase of its selection process for its second headquarters

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Published on: January 18, 2018 | Last Updated: January 18, 2018 11:07 AM EST


Toronto is the only Canadian city on Amazon Inc.’s short list of 20 candidates for a second North American headquarters.

The e-commerce giant received 238 applications for the opportunity and says narrowing it down to 20 was very tough.

The other Canadian communities that applied but didn’t make the short list include Hamilton, Ottawa-Gatineau, Sault Ste. Marie, Simcoe County, Halifax, Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Winnipeg and Windsor.

Amazon says it plans to choose the location later this year after diving deeper into the proposals from its top cities.

The largest e-commerce company said it would work with each of the candidate locations to get more information and evaluate the feasibility of a future partnership.

Amazon said in September it would build a $5 billion second headquarters in North America, kicking off a competition between cities and states to offer tax cuts and incentives that could bring 50,000 high-paying new jobs.

The list reveals little in terms of geographic preferences, with finalists on both coasts and the heartland. Amazon found it difficult to engage with so many applicants and had to whittle the list to enter the next phase of evaluation.

“Getting from 238 to 20 was very tough – all the proposals showed tremendous enthusiasm and creativity,” Holly Sullivan, of Amazon Public Policy, said in a statement. “Through this process we learned about many new communities across North America that we will consider as locations for future infrastructure investment and job creation.”

Whatever city gets chosen will be transformed by Amazon, which has already changed the character of its native Seattle, setting in motion a building boom and rising rents. High paying tech jobs can permanently transform a region and raise the political prospects of the leader who helped seal the deal.

Amazon has said its preferences for the site include a metropolitan location with a population of more than 1 million, mass transit, proximity to an international flight hub and the potential to retain and attract technical talent.

Here’s the list:
  • Toronto, ON
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Austin, TX
  • Boston, MA
  • Chicago, IL
  • Columbus, OH
  • Dallas, TX
  • Denver, CO
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Miami, FL
  • Montgomery County, MD
  • Nashville, TN
  • Newark, NJ
  • New York City, NY
  • Northern Virginia, VA
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Raleigh, NC
  • Washington D.C.

With files from Reuters and Bloomberg

http://ottawacitizen.com/technology/toro...wcm/06183fcf-4bc8-4ab4-bd51-2c99d607868a
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Toronto only Canadian city on Amazon’s short list for second headquarters

Janet McFarland and Jeff Gray, The Globe and Mail
Published January 18, 2018 | Updated 2 hours ago


Toronto is the only Canadian city to make the short list to host Amazon's second headquarters location, joining 19 U.S. cities also in the running.

Amazon released its short list Thursday morning, saying it has whittled down its options from 238 applications received from cities in the U.S., Canada and Mexico. No cities in Mexico were chosen for the short list.

Amazon announced last year it is seeking to build a large second headquarters campus to expand beyond its crowded Seattle location, and asked communities across North America to submit bids. Amazon said it expects to create 50,000 jobs and invest over $5-billion (U.S.) in the city where it opens its HQ2 location, promising it will be "a full equal" to the Seattle headquarters.

Twelve Canadian communities submitted bids, including Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Montreal and Halifax. Six communities in Ontario also bid, including a Toronto regional group, as well as Sault Ste. Marie, Windsor, Hamilton, Ottawa-Gatineau and Simcoe County north of Toronto.

Amazon's short list largely favours major cities, with Los Angeles, New York, Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Miami, Dallas, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Washington, DC, also making the cut.

Some anticipated favourites were also on the list, including Denver, Raleigh, Nashville and Austin, Texas. Newark was also included on the short list after New Jersey Governor Chris Christie announced his state's bid included up to $7-billion (U.S.) in tax incentives.

Holly Sullivan, Amazon's head of public policy, said Amazon learned about many new communities in the process that it will consider as locations for other type of future infrastructure investments.

"Getting from 238 to 20 was very tough – all the proposals showed tremendous enthusiasm and creativity," Ms. Sullivan said in a statement.

The regional Toronto bid did not include tax concessions, but offered several sites in downtown Toronto as possible locations, including a 100-acre "east harbour" region in central Toronto, just east of downtown. It would be close to the new Google Sidewalk Labs mixed-use neighbourhood also planned for the east side, known as Quayside. The bid also offers nine large locations in suburban areas surrounding the city, including a site in downtown Mississauga adjacent to the Square One Shopping Centre.

Toronto Mayor John Tory, who was among the first of the parade of civic leaders to jump at the chance to win Amazon's new headquarters, welcomed the news that Toronto had made the shortlist on Thursday.

"There is no other city region in North America that can boast the same talent, the same quality of life, the same vibrancy and economic strength," Mr. Tory said in a statement, while noting that work is being done – including investments in transit, housing and parks – to make the city better.

"Last year, I said I would put the Toronto Region up against any city in North America as the place for ambitious, forward-looking companies looking for a home," Mr. Tory said. "I'm glad that Amazon agrees that Toronto is worth considering and I look forward to working with Toronto Global and my fellow GTA mayors and regional chairs as we continue to go through the bidding process over the coming months."

"We are excited to have this opportunity and to be able to tell Toronto's unique story," Mr. Tory said in a statement Thursday.

Toronto's pitch stressed the large cluster of universities graduating students with technology training in the cluster of cities from Waterloo to Toronto, and highlighted an Ontario government plan to boost graduates in science and technology disciplines by 25 per cent over the next five years.

Former City of Toronto chief planner Jennifer Keesmaat, who helped shape Toronto's bid before stepping down at the end of September, tweeted Thursday that the city should be congratulated for succeeding despite offering no tax subsidies.

"Our proposal touted our quality of life, openness to immigration and current/forthcoming transit investments as the key reasons to come," she said.

"If 'winning' means offering subsidies, then winning isn't worth it. That's the chance we took [in] the 1st round [and] made it to the short list, showing that our key assets are a draw, in and of themselves. We've won already by playing by our rules, upholding our integrity."

Amazon said it evaluated each bid based on its original request for proposals, which emphasized land availability and location as its top priority in its selection.

The company plans to work with each candidate location in coming months to look more deeply at the proposals and request more information. Amazon expects to make its final decision later this year.

In addition to Amazon's plan to hire up to 50,000 new employees, the company said construction and ongoing operation of the new headquarters will create "tens of thousands of additional jobs and tens of billions of dollars in additional investment" in the community.

The 20 cities on the short list are:

Atlanta, GA
Austin, TX
Boston, MA
Chicago, IL
Columbus, OH
Dallas, TX
Denver, CO
Indianapolis, IN
Los Angeles, CA
Miami, FL
Montgomery County, MD
Nashville, TN
Newark, NJ
New York City, NY
Northern Virginia, VA
Philadelphia, PA
Pittsburgh, PA
Raleigh, NC
Toronto, ON
Washington D.C.

Follow Janet McFarland and Jeff Gray on Twitter @JMcFarlandGlobe @jeffreybgray

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o...ons-second-headquarters/article37654374/
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Certainly nothing really surprising with regards to only one Canadian city making the cut.

I guess that frees up Lebreton for Melnyk now!
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In other news, the sky is blue.

Even though I believe we never had a chance, I still felt it was very important for us to submit a bid. For me, bidding was about "advertising" or building awareness within Amazon (and others for that matter). The prize here for us would be further expansion of their (Amazon's) existing operations.
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