Expo Line - Surrey Langley Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction - Page 220

Migrant_Coconut · #**4381** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 4:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

See this isn't the same as Surrey's LRT which will have lanes separated by some sort of divider, thats why I am so against lumping LRT in as the same as a streetcar, because streetcars don't have a dedicated laneway.

Let's be honest, separated lanes and medians don't prevent human error:

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logan5 · #**4382** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 4:54 AM**

I wonder what year this system will be decommissioned in order to make room for driverless car/bus technology? I'm guessing around 2031.

cganuelas1995 · #**4383** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 5:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

I wonder what year this system will be decommissioned in order to make room for driverless car/bus technology? I'm guessing around 2031.

With unions, that is a dream within a dream within a dream within, you guessed it, a dream.

logan5 · #**4384** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 5:15 AM**

It won't matter. Uber and other taxi services can throw their employees away like garbage. These services will easily replace buses.

Migrant_Coconut · #**4385** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 5:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

It won't matter. Uber and other taxi services can throw their employees away like garbage. These services will easily replace buses.

Not if they'll still charge five bucks a trip, they won't. And not when they're starting to become buses in order to be more efficient.

Colin4567 · #**4386** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 5:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

Word is that the L-Line is a done deal. No use fighting it anymore.

Good news is the line / extension to Langley has not been decided on for technology.

With this new bit of Kevin Desmond confirming it as LRT and Fraser Highway undecided, I guess Metro's source is legitimate after all.

Anything new you'd like to pass onto us?

flipper316 · #**4387** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 5:59 AM**

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/translink-2017-kevin-desmond-surrey-light-rail

Metro-One · #**4388** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 6:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by Colin4567

With this new bit of Kevin Desmond confirming it as LRT and Fraser Highway undecided, I guess Metro's source is legitimate after all.

Anything new you'd like to pass onto us?

Yep, it was no guy in an orange vest

There are a couple other rumblings I have heard, but I don't like to post such things unless I am 99% sure they are accurate.

flipper316 · #**4389** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 6:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

time to once again look into the future by looking at the present:

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Must be pretty common occurrence judging by their lack of reactions.

And this is in transit progressive Europe. Can't wait for the 2 hr shutdowns due to a minor accident.Every week Translink's twitter will be blowing up with complaints and snarky comments.

flipper316 · #**4390** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 6:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

See this isn't the same as Surrey's LRT which will have lanes separated by some sort of divider, thats why I am so against lumping LRT in as the same as a streetcar, because streetcars don't have a dedicated laneway.

Also worth noting that the L-Linephase one is set to cost a little over 1 billion not the 2 billion plus many have stated when saying it was cost competitive to Skytrain on the L corridor.

The 1 billion is just an estimate right? Hepner's own impatient and stubborn 🞵🞵🞵 keeps saying to get on with it cuz costs just keep climbing.

logicbomb · #**4391** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 6:17 AM**

Was so optimistic that this project would get canned early last year. Hearing NDP insiders calling this done deal in December gave me a sinking feeling.

I overheard there will be full on closures to 104th Ave. Driving in Surrey will be hell for 2 years.

Colin4567 · #**4392** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 6:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by logicbomb

Was so optimistic that this project would get canned early last year. Hearing NDP insiders calling this done deal in December gave me a sinking feeling.

Any word from those insiders on the Surrey Langley Line?

Metro-One · #**4393** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 6:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by Colin4567

Any word from those insiders on the Surrey Langley Line?

This is how the 3 important players stand:

Translink: Advocates Skytrain over surface LRT.
Langley: Wants Skytrain.
Surrey: Big surprise, dead set against Skytrain, wants surface LRT (and is even setting up spin doctor style advocacy groups to discredit Skytrain).

Colin4567 · #**4394** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 6:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

This is how the 3 important players stand:

Translink: Advocates Skytrain over surface LRT.
Langley: Wants Skytrain.
Surrey: Big surprise, dead set against Skytrain, wants surface LRT (and is even setting up spin doctor style advocacy groups to discredit Skytrain).

Right, but isn't it all moot if the province funds LRT?

logicbomb · #**4395** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 6:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

This is how the 3 important players stand:

Translink: Advocates Skytrain over surface LRT.
Langley: Wants Skytrain.
Surrey: Big surprise, dead set against Skytrain, wants surface LRT (and is even setting up spin doctor style advocacy groups to discredit Skytrain).

NDP: Neutral. They want to maintain a good relationship with Hepner and the electorate. Many within Translink will advocate for Skytrain but the decisions will be made from the provincial level...

casper · #**4396** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 8:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by logicbomb

NDP: Neutral. They want to maintain a good relationship with Hepner and the electorate. Many within Translink will advocate for Skytrain but the decisions will be made from the provincial level...

I get the felling this NDP government has a very "analytic" personality. Perhaps someone can do a Myers Briggs analysis on them. Basically given a decision to be made they will commission a study, analysis it to death before making a decision.

The Langley decision will be pushed out and made by the next government.

casper · #**4397** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 8:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by Envder

I like on page 7 they say

Here is a photo of Flexity Outlook. Probably more appropriate for Surrey. This is the narrower tram that was in use for Olympics in Vancouver.

Source: Wikipedia

CanSpice · #**4398** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 5:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

See this isn't the same as Surrey's LRT which will have lanes separated by some sort of divider, thats why I am so against lumping LRT in as the same as a streetcar, because streetcars don't have a dedicated laneway.

Except that most of the collisions in this video are at intersections where car traffic crosses the rails, so your idea that the divider will help kind of goes out the window at that point.

GMasterAres · #**4399** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 6:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Colin4567

Right, but isn't it all moot if the province funds LRT?

I will remind everyone again, SkyTrain is LRT so until the technology is decided, don't read too much into the "terminology" translink uses. They are politicians afterall.

GMasterAres · #**4400** Posted **Jan 3, 2018, 6:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

And this is in transit progressive Europe. Can't wait for the 2 hr shutdowns due to a minor accident.Every week Translink's twitter will be blowing up with complaints and snarky comments.

Silver lining, won't be hearing any complaints about SkyTrain interruptions when people finally realize the system has been about 99+% available over the past 30 years straight and I don't remember the last time I heard on CKNW about a SkyTrain colliding with a car in the morning commute...