Western Expresso - Page 188

Riverman · #**3741** Posted **Dec 4, 2017, 7:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Many local pro athletes live in apartments/condos and they seem plenty young and active?!

Active means one hell of a lot more than driving to a gym.

I need a place to work on my cars, bikes and metal fab projects. I'll go to an apartment when I'm closer to dead.

esquire · #**3742** Posted **Dec 4, 2017, 7:26 PM**

^ So you need a garage is what you're saying.

Riverman · #**3743** Posted **Dec 4, 2017, 7:41 PM**

No. We also have a growing family and we both garden. Apartments are not suitable for most people.

OTA in Winnipeg · #**3744** Posted **Dec 4, 2017, 7:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

I am no expert, saving this learning for retirement. OTA in Wpg seems to know quite a bit.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/129-ota-...on-regina-saskatoon-prairies-ota-77.html

Riverman · #**3745** Posted **Dec 4, 2017, 7:50 PM**

Thanks for that link!

esquire · #**3746** Posted **Dec 4, 2017, 8:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Apartments are not suitable for most people.

That's quite a sweeping pronouncement. How do you know this?

Riverman · #**3747** Posted **Dec 4, 2017, 8:17 PM**

The fact that most people live in houses?

esquire · #**3748** Posted **Dec 4, 2017, 8:18 PM**

^ But how do you get from there to 'apartments are not suitable for most people'?

CoryB · #**3749** Posted **Dec 4, 2017, 9:34 PM**

SK as a whole is one of the CFL's strongest markets. The question is with about 150,000 citizen in the metro region would Saskatoon been able to draw in enough support compared to Halifax. It really feels like there is a market potential there but the CFL would likely follow Halifax with Quebec City. Heck Quebec City would likely be there already if they hadn't dumped all their government funding into building an NHL arena hoping to one day get the Atlanta 3.0 franchise to relocate there.

esquire · #**3750** Posted **Dec 4, 2017, 9:59 PM**

^ I know we're wandering off topic here but I couldn't resist.

I think Halifax is tempting to the CFL for some pretty major reasons... it brings an entire region into the league's footprint, and it leads to a balanced number of teams which is excellent for scheduling purposes. Plus the talent pool of players can arguably support one more team without much trouble.

An 11th team would not really offer those benefits... at that point you're basically just adding another team to a region already represented in the league, and there aren't really any tempting locations. Quebec City and Southern Ontario (either suburban Toronto or an outlying city like London/Kitchener-Waterloo) have appeal, but I don't see them as chomping at the bit for a team. Then you start getting into whether it's worth the hassle to have an odd number of teams again, whether there are enough players to support another expansion team, etc.

I think once Halifax gets a team that'll be it for a long time.

windypeg · #**3751** Posted **Dec 4, 2017, 11:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

No. We also have a growing family and we both garden. Apartments are not suitable for most people.

Rates of car ownership are on the decline so fewer and fewer people are going to need garages going forward - not to mention some seem to think self-driving vehicles are going to go hand-in-hand with more car-sharing. I can work on my bike just fine on the balcony, or the basement or parking lot of my building. As for the yards, that one always gets me. You're better off to live in a walkable area with easy access to parks. People say they need a yard so their kids or pets can run around but most yards are too small to really use for anything and in practice they are just a patch of grass for your dog to — on.

1ajs · #**3752** Posted **Dec 5, 2017, 1:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Active means one hell of a lot more than driving to a gym.

I need a place to work on my cars, bikes and metal fab projects. I'll go to an apartment when I'm closer to dead.

downtown has a fab lab called north forge

vid · #**3753** Posted **Dec 5, 2017, 4:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by 1ajs

downtown has a fab lab called north forge

Don't sic him on them. They don't deserve that.

OTA in Winnipeg · #**3754** Posted **Dec 5, 2017, 9:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Thanks for that link!

esquire · #**3755** Posted **Dec 5, 2017, 2:38 PM**

^ So we know what the OTA in your handle stands for

I put up rabbit ears for a while and I'm impressed with the signal quality... what is lacking here is channel selection. Winnipeg is too far from the border to pull in the US networks, and the local lineup of CBC, Global, Joy TV (or whatever it's called) and, if you have the right kind of antenna, CTV, is kind of weak.

The OTA dish channel lineup is obviously more tempting, but it all seems pretty hobbyist oriented and more techy than I care to deal with. If someone came up with a simple piece of hardware you could use to access all that stuff, they'd get rich in a hurry.

Riverman · #**3756** Posted **Dec 5, 2017, 3:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by windypeg

Rates of car ownership are on the decline so fewer and fewer people are going to need garages going forward - not to mention some seem to think self-driving vehicles are going to go hand-in-hand with more car-sharing. I can work on my bike just fine on the balcony, or the basement or parking lot of my building. As for the yards, that one always gets me. You're better off to live in a walkable area with easy access to parks. People say they need a yard so their kids or pets can run around but most yards are too small to really use for anything and in practice they are just a patch of grass for your dog to — on.

I meant mototcycles. Have you noticed what has happened to the value of old Japanese bikes? I guess not.

It seems there are two types of people when it comes to entertainment and leisure. Some purchase their entertainment and some entertain themselves by exploring their ingenuity and honing their skills. One needs a place to do that, a place to work and to keep tools and equipment. An apartment is unsuitable for that, especially when wheels are involved.

For an example, watch the Youtube series called Project Binky. It is on a larger scale than what I am into but interesting nonetheless.

I disagree with your assertion that cars are going away. More cars are produced each year than the last, and cars last longer than they used to. The car hobby in general (racing, customizing, etc.) is growing like mad, mostly because of the growing affluence of Asian immigrants (attend a Top Tier event and see for yourself). The membership of the Winnipeg Sports Car Club is also increasing.

That leaves the rest of the washing machine driving public. Do you really see someone in St. James using a car share to drive to Superstore? Would you ride in a robot car on a slippery day like today? No, never, not happening.

The personal car is here to stay. Propulsion may change (compression ignition gas engine coming in 2018), technology will continue to make cars safer, cleaner and more efficient.

Riverman · #**3757** Posted **Dec 5, 2017, 3:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by vid

Don't sic him on them. They don't deserve that.

Don't worry, I have no desire to be in a shop with a bunch of fumbling millenials. I have done that every day for 15 years.

windypeg · #**3758** Posted **Dec 5, 2017, 10:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

I meant mototcycles. Have you noticed what has happened to the value of old Japanese bikes? I guess not.

It seems there are two types of people when it comes to entertainment and leisure. Some purchase their entertainment and some entertain themselves by exploring their ingenuity and honing their skills. One needs a place to do that, a place to work and to keep tools and equipment. An apartment is unsuitable for that, especially when wheels are involved.

For an example, watch the Youtube series called Project Binky. It is on a larger scale than what I am into but interesting nonetheless.

Well, the first bit is fairly arrogant and condescending and the rest quite naive to think that there are no hobbies or skills a person could possibly have that are used in any setting outside of a garage. Sports, art, languages, cooking, writing, musical instruments, programming - just a few skillful hobbies that don't require a garage.

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Originally Posted by Riverman

I disagree with your assertion that cars are going away. More cars are produced each year than the last, and cars last longer than they used to. The car hobby in general (racing, customizing, etc.) is growing like mad, mostly because of the growing affluence of Asian immigrants (attend a Top Tier event and see for yourself). The membership of the Winnipeg Sports Car Club is also increasing.

That leaves the rest of the washing machine driving public. Do you really see someone in St. James using a car share to drive to Superstore? Would you ride in a robot car on a slippery day like today? No, never, not happening.

The personal car is here to stay. Propulsion may change (compression ignition gas engine coming in 2018), technology will continue to make cars safer, cleaner and more efficient.

Well that's all fine but it's anecdotal as well. Just because tinkering with cars is a growing hobby activity doesn't mean more people are going to own cars in the future. After all things like car-sharing and cycling are also growing very fast and more people than ever before are moving to downtowns across the country instead of place like St James.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat...-public-transit-to-work/article37127643/

https://globalnews.ca/news/3234918/census-2016-canadians-embrace-downtown-living/

1ajs · #**3759** Posted **Dec 6, 2017, 12:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Don't worry, I have no desire to be in a shop with a bunch of fumbling millenials. I have done that every day for 15 years.

they hang out in the office area the older folks are using the tools and building stuff

Bdog · #**3760** Posted **Dec 6, 2017, 1:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by windypeg

Rates of car ownership are on the decline so fewer and fewer people are going to need garages going forward - not to mention some seem to think self-driving vehicles are going to go hand-in-hand with more car-sharing. I can work on my bike just fine on the balcony, or the basement or parking lot of my building. As for the yards, that one always gets me. You're better off to live in a walkable area with easy access to parks. People say they need a yard so their kids or pets can run around but most yards are too small to really use for anything and in practice they are just a patch of grass for your dog to — on.

Are there any moderate viewpoints on this board anymore? I can live in a house and still see the appeal for some to live in an apartment (less maintenance, possibly closer to work, etc.). One can also live in an apartment or condo and still see the appeal of a house (privacy, more space, investment, customize/reno as you see fit, yard)... I don't get why some on here can't even come close to understanding the other side (not aimed specifically at you Windy). There are pros and cons to both, like with most things in life...