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Old Posted Nov 12, 2017, 5:22 PM
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Those are some well made and informative videos....
I agree! I've seen some of this other videos and thoroughly enjoyed them!
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2017, 5:35 PM
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Another concern I have it who is going to maintain all of this? All these green spaces on towers look great on paper but these are many micro-parks to maintain...
Knowing the city, they'll offload responsibility for the micro-parks to strata corps.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2017, 6:20 AM
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Another concern I have it who is going to maintain all of this? All these green spaces on towers look great on paper but these are many micro-parks to maintain...
I'm consistently shocked by how underfunded Vancouver parks seem, compared to the north shore at least. No garbage cans, no water fountains, disgusting trough-style bathrooms with five decades worth of stink built up, no landscaping... and everyone seems fine with it. It's fine for "true forest" areas of course but urban parks should see some love.
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I'm consistently shocked by how underfunded Vancouver parks seem, compared to the north shore at least. No garbage cans, no water fountains, disgusting trough-style bathrooms with five decades worth of stink built up, no landscaping... and everyone seems fine with it. It's fine for "true forest" areas of course but urban parks should see some love.
I think that when everybody talks about "back to nature," they're talking about the bathrooms as well.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2017, 12:04 AM
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Not encouraging... I really do hope that the city has a strong maintenance plan in place for this project.

And as others have pointed out great attention will have to be taken to ensure that it is not overrun with junkies or becomes a tent city... Sightlines, foot traffic and lighting will all be very important aspects.
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Not encouraging... I really do hope that the city has a strong maintenance plan in place for this project.

And as others have pointed out great attention will have to be taken to ensure that it is not overrun with junkies or becomes a tent city... Sightlines, foot traffic and lighting will all be very important aspects.
considering what happens to Andy Livingstone Park, with 100s of used needles all over the place, don't count on this park being much different.
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Does anyone know the timeline for these NE False Creek developments?
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2017, 3:25 AM
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Over the past 15 months, we've heard from thousands of people about the future of Northeast False Creek. It's now time for us to share what we've heard and how the area plan has been refined!

Join us at our upcoming events to learn about the area plan - including the future street network and the park design process - before it's presented to Council for consideration early next year.

Rezoning applications for the development sites will also be on display for your comments.

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•Saturday, November 18, 11 am - 5 pm
•Monday, November 20, 11 am – 5 pm
•Tuesday, November 21, 11 am – 5 pm
•Wednesday, November 22, 3 – 9 pm

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Date: Thursday, November 23
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Coming Soon: Refined Area Plan & Online Survey

On Saturday, November 18, the NEFC Refined Area Plan survey will be available online. We'll send a friendly reminder on that day and appreciate your help in sharing it with your community.

Your input to the questionnaire and at these events will help us finalize the NEFC area plan before the plan is presented to Council for consideration early next year.

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It's basically the same open house as the one last summer (albeit with better renders). Same infographics, same models, same NIMBYs bitching about their views. They do have a new traffic simulation, though.

Oh, and bad news - the Pacific streetcar is probably going to be mixed-traffic.
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It's basically the same open house as the one last summer (albeit with better renders). Same infographics, same models, same NIMBYs bitching about their views. They do have a new traffic simulation, though.

Oh, and bad news - the Pacific streetcar is probably going to be mixed-traffic.
I didn't get a chance to stop in today, but that's not quiet accurate. The model, from what I could see through the window, shows a more refined vision of the Edgewater Lands. It also reveals the concept for the Eastern Portion of the city owned lands. No clue on the streetcar, but that is over ten years out, so anything can happen. There could be more details, but one can only see so much through the windows when waiting for a bus.

Urban YVR does have some more info though, including models and renderings:
http://urbanyvr.com/northeast-false-creek-plan-nefc-2017
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Thanks for the update.
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The development that will occur with the removal of the viaducts, and St. Paul's Hospital on the edge of that area, will quite literally be a once in a lifetime transformation for the downtown area.

It will probably take until 2040 to be built out though.
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I don't think it will take that long. The rezoning process has begun so I'm thinking completion around 2030.

I just don't get the 900 000 lowly sq feet on the City lands. There's gotta be some density bonuses that they are not showing.
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I don't think it will take that long. The rezoning process has begun so I'm thinking completion around 2030.

I just don't get the 900 000 lowly sq feet on the City lands. There's gotta be some density bonuses that they are not showing.
Looking at the building forms they're proposing, and the plaza spaces they want to include, that seems about right. It would be a bit less than 4 FSR on the gross land area, which is more than the Olympic Village for example (without the public space there). Meccanica in the private lands would be a good comparison - it's 3.9 FSR, or Block 100 at 3.5 FSR.
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The development that will occur with the removal of the viaducts, and St. Paul's Hospital on the edge of that area, will quite literally be a once in a lifetime transformation for the downtown area.

It will probably take until 2040 to be built out though.
Seeing what's happening at the OV, I don't think anyone is particularly thrilled at what would come at the City's viaduct lands. Perhaps more container homes to appease the neighbours? CoV can't even seem to know what to do with that parking lot next to McDonald's. Perhaps the City of NewWest can come give them advice on what to do with it, like putting in something useful like the Anvil Plaza?
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I don't think it will take that long. The rezoning process has begun so I'm thinking completion around 2030.

I just don't get the 900 000 lowly sq feet on the City lands. There's gotta be some density bonuses that they are not showing.
2030 is too soon. You're forgetting about the great real estate meltdown of 2018-2025.
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2017, 4:43 PM
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Seeing what's happening at the OV, I don't think anyone is particularly thrilled at what would come at the City's viaduct lands. Perhaps more container homes to appease the neighbours? CoV can't even seem to know what to do with that parking lot next to McDonald's. Perhaps the City of NewWest can come give them advice on what to do with it, like putting in something useful like the Anvil Plaza?
Same old Vin, we all know you like malls and think OV is somehow a failure.

I don' t know what's happening with that City owned lot on Terminal across from Main St. station, but they should sell it at high density zoning to help pay for the viaduct plan.

FWIW the container housing at Main and Terminal has had zero issues to my knowledge. Always quiet whenever I walk by. But I don't actually know what the qualifications are to get housing there.
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NEFC November Open House







After a doctor's appointment, I went down to the NEFC open house. I almost immediately got into a disagreement with a man claiming to be landscape architect who insisted that the low income residents in the area will be mistreated by the tall buildings. He asserted that the buildings would cast shadows on the future park land, rendering it unusable. He also claimed to have seen the contracts for the social housing, and insisted they had a clause that would require it only be provided for one year. I didn't put up much of argument because my back was killing me, and I didn't trust myself to behave with him screaming at me.

One thing to note is that the Site 10C tower was absent. The reason I was given was that as it is just one tower, there wasn't really a reason to cover it again. In my view, the explanation could also be that the province knows it can do whatever it wants anyways.
As Migrant Coconut stated, its likely that the streetcars will end up in the roadway for this area, specifically in the curb lanes. Infrastructure for the streetcar system will be installed during the rebuilding of Pacific, and future station sites are being identified and will be roughed in advance of funding for the line.

The biggest shocker from this event is the time frame. Apparently the plans are for this to be at council at or before the summer of 2018. Several people expressed to me that they believe that the NEFC plan has reached a point where it would be impossible to turn back. Given that informed opinion, and that this will go to council by this summer, I think its safe to say that, even if the election doesn't return a Vision lead/majority council, that the Viaducts will be coming down is now unavoidable.

The start of construction on some sites is hoped for as early as 2022! However, the plans for the park have been placed on hold and will be seriously delayed. This is due to a negative reception from the public and newfound/increased interest from the Chinatown and First Nations communities in having a greater role in the parks planning. In short, the architects of the park are forced to go back to the drawing board and do some serious retooling.
Stay tuned for site specific updates and photos of the models, none of which show their adjacent sites in the correct proportions.
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Everything takes so long even when we are desperate for supply.
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2017, 8:37 AM
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Everything takes so long even when we are desperate for supply.
Academic takes on Vancouver’s housing-supply ‘myth’
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2017, 9:57 AM
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Thanks.

That looks like the Malkin Connector in the 2nd pic.
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