YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[casper]

Originally Posted by YVR_Future

What a shame. Also, having SQ (along with AC & CX) flying YVR-HKG would be great.

There are currently three airlines on that route.

Do we need a forth?

[nname]

Originally Posted by casper

There are currently three airlines on that route.

Do we need a forth?

I don't think anyone would dare to touch that route right now.... These 3 airlines can barely sell those tickets for $600 - $700 on this 13hr flight, with meals, 2 checked bags, and seat selection included.

You can't even get all these for $700 with LCC carriers...

[trofirhen]

1. OK, but THAI is supposedly coming soon, and that takes in BKK.

2. Then there's the issue of SIN. The 2007 bilateral stipulated a mid-point stop, but if AC and SQL could do that route nonstop, is it not feasible for a new agreement?
YVR has China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, The Philippines, Aus-NZ all wrapped! Get SE Asia and YVR will have the entire Pacific pretty much as its own; even beating out SEA, LAX and SFO!

3. Vietnam is a lesser destination and could stop midpoint until a new bilateral is done.
(btw, its route crosses exactly over Seoul. Exactly on the arc. Do they need 5th freedom rights to make that profitabe?)
is there a market in Vancouver, or for Toronto -twice the market as Vancouver -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_Canadians#History_and_demographics
Province Vietnamese people [4]
Ontario 107,640
Quebec 43,080
British Columbia 41,435
Alberta 36,780
Manitoba 5,850
Saskatchewan 3,690
Nova Scotia 760
New Brunswick 885
Northwest Territories 245
Yukon 85
Prince Edward Island 85
Newfoundland and Labrador 75
Nunavut 10
Canada Canada 240,615

and other points?
(should it ever come about)

[YVR_Future]

Originally Posted by casper

There are currently three airlines on that route.

Do we need a forth?

3? Isn't it just AC and CX?

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by YVR_Future

3? Isn't it just AC and CX?

Hongkong Airlines started flying daily HKG-YVR in June. So 28 flights per week.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by YVR_Future

3? Isn't it just AC and CX?

see above

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Hongkong Airlines started flying daily HKG-YVR in June. So 28 flights per week.

Oh so close!!

It’s actually 31 flights per week on YVR-HKG

AC Daily 77W
CX 2 Daily 77W and 3 weekly 359
HX Daily 332

I think most people forget CX added the three weekly flights on the A350-900

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Oh so close!!

It’s actually 31 flights per week on YVR-HKG

AC Daily 77W
CX 2 Daily 77W and 3 weekly 359
HX Daily 332

I think most people forget CX added the three weekly flights on the A350-900

Good catch (and I took the HKG-YVR 359 flight in June too so my bad!). Yields taking a bit of a hit with Hongkong Airlines on the route. HKG-YVR in summer used to be hideously expensive — easily C$2000 round trip

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

The info in that link seems a bit off. I distinctly recall that SQ was limited to 2/3x weekly via ICN and was seeking to increase frequency via ICN (1-stop via HKG was also a speculated target during negotiations). SQ was claiming at the time (probably to raise support for their position) that they were running 98% full on their YVR flights.

That negotiating position was shut down by the Canadian side as not being beneficial (and that’s certainly an argument used to limit ME3 access to Canada). No limitations on non-stop service between Canada and Singapore — and this would also be completely consistent with Canada's Blue Skies negotiating position.

I’ll see if I can find links to this, but it was years ago. And anyways, the 2008 financial meltdown made it moot.

I also find it weird that a bilateral wouldn't allow non stop flights. Usually it's the opposite. Non stops are allowed, and 5th freedoms are restricted (more so than non-stops).

Weird indeed.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

I also find it weird that a bilateral wouldn't allow non stop flights. Usually it's the opposite. Non stops are allowed, and 5th freedoms are restricted (more so than non-stops).

Weird indeed.

Perhaps, 10 years later, and with Calin Rovanescu seeming to make good on his commitment to turning YVR into a true 'hub' we might wee a YVR-SIN nonstop, codeshared by AC and SQL.

[CareerShow]

Does anyone know why flight crews in Canada travelling through Canadian airports do not have to clear security before a flight? It appears in the states and all other countries crews must pass thru security before entering the aircraft, but this does not appear to be the case in Canada.

[CareerShow]

Also how is Rouge able to operate Osaka and Nagoya with only two person crews, while other asian block flights require 3 crew members?

[excel]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

Does anyone know why flight crews in Canada travelling through Canadian airports do not have to clear security before a flight? It appears in the states and all other countries crews must pass thru security before entering the aircraft, but this does not appear to be the case in Canada.

Not sure where you got that idea. All flight crews must always go through security screening (as long as it is secured airport). Certain airports have staff bypass security screening allowing flight crew to avoid going through the general security screening. Some small airports allow flight crew to bypass with only random screening. I believe this is slowly being eliminated.

Originally Posted by CareerShow

Also how is Rouge able to operate Osaka and Nagoya with only two person crews, while other asian block flights require 3 crew members?

Transport Canada only requires relief pilots on flights more than 10 hours (scheduled time).

[Johnny Aussie]

http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/can...ith-republic-of-singapore-534631361.html

“The agreement is a modern framework for air services that permits any
number of air carriers from either country to operate non-stop passenger and
all-cargo scheduled air services as frequently as desired, between any city in
Canada and Singapore.”

[casper]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/can...ith-republic-of-singapore-534631361.html

“The agreement is a modern framework for air services that permits any
number of air carriers from either country to operate non-stop passenger and
all-cargo scheduled air services as frequently as desired, between any city in
Canada and Singapore.”

Makes sense. I though the reason Singapore airlines dropped YVR was they wanted more flights between South Korean and Canada. Canada and South Korea wanted to protect Air Canada and Korean Airlines on that route. (Something that sounds reasonable to me).

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by excel

Not sure where you got that idea. All flight crews must always go through security screening (as long as it is secured airport). Certain airports have staff bypass security screening allowing flight crew to avoid going through the general security screening. Some small airports allow flight crew to bypass with only random screening. I believe this is slowly being eliminated.



Transport Canada only requires relief pilots on flights more than 10 hours (scheduled time).

I know at YVR and other major Canadian airports flight crews for at least Westjet and Air Canada can go through the employee security access points using there passes and receive only random security searches. I'm just wondering if this is the norm in other countries as well, because from my knowledge from both reading and observation is that in the US all crews must clear TSA screening. This is certainly not the case in Canada. Seems this is an imprudent policy and one that is certainly stuck in the past.

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by excel

Not sure where you got that idea. All flight crews must always go through security screening (as long as it is secured airport). Certain airports have staff bypass security screening allowing flight crew to avoid going through the general security screening. Some small airports allow flight crew to bypass with only random screening. I believe this is slowly being eliminated.



Transport Canada only requires relief pilots on flights more than 10 hours (scheduled time).

Oh so does the AC YVR Tokyo flight only have two pilots? Or does mainline still fly with 3 flight deck personnel?

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by excel

Not sure where you got that idea. All flight crews must always go through security screening (as long as it is secured airport). Certain airports have staff bypass security screening allowing flight crew to avoid going through the general security screening. Some small airports allow flight crew to bypass with only random screening. I believe this is slowly being eliminated.



Transport Canada only requires relief pilots on flights more than 10 hours (scheduled time).

Next time your at one of the major Canadian airports you'll notice that flight crews with security passes can use the employee screening points, which don't require screening every time, its based on a random search mat. This was a shocking revelation to me at least.

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by casper

Makes sense. I though the reason Singapore airlines dropped YVR was they wanted more flights between South Korean and Canada. Canada and South Korea wanted to protect Air Canada and Korean Airlines on that route. (Something that sounds reasonable to me).

I beleive Singapore Air also reduced or stopped flights from LAX and SFO as well since they couldn’t fly fully occupied planes to Singapore because of the distance. They had to block seats off because of the length of the trip. Thus those routes weren’t very profitable.
Now they have planes with a higher range, they can make the trip now with all seats sold.

[SFUVancouver]

A thread on Airliners.net notes that American is increasing its ORD-YVR service with evening service from ORD to YVR and an overnight red-eye in the other direction.

starting 04 May: ORD-YVR year round on a 738

ORD 8:35p YVR 11:14p
YVR 11:00p ORD 5:14a+1

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