Roads/Bridges projects/issues

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by roger1818

AFAIK, there isn't any signage leading people to downtown. I suspect the problem is that Colonel By Dr. wouldn't be able to handle the traffic if they did.

If the Alta Vista Corridor (AVC) ever connects to Nicholas as planned, Riverside Dr. to the AVC would be an option.

Ottawa has almost no signs in the city pointing to downtown anyway, IIRC.

[daud]

further to the Leitrim discussion:

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A leitrim grade separated road coupled with the kettle island bridge=

• quebec truck route bypassing downtown
• airport highway
• airport parkway connector
• suburb to suburb connector
• suburb to airport connector
• 417 bypass
• ring road

Its not one thing it does, its all of it combined that makes it valuable. Granted, I'm throwing in the doomed kettle island bridge with the doomed grade separated leitrim, but this makes sense and I would argue this curtails sprawl, not encourages it.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by daud

I'm throwing in the doomed kettle island bridge with the doomed grade separated leitrim, but this makes sense and I would argue this curtails sprawl, not encourages it.

Pretty highway map. Curious though, why would you say it would curtail sprawl?

[daud]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

Pretty highway map. Curious though, why would you say it would curtail sprawl?

well, if (and its a big if) you assume that something will be built eventually, building it closer to the core will have the lesser impact on sprawl.

If, in the next 50 years, we do nothing and MTO decides to build a Kars to Vars road, sprawl will be rampant and likely will also include areas outside the city limits.

The idea is that this road could act as a conduit for development, thus building as close to the core will ensure development remains well within city limits. Not building it runs a risk that it will be built further out.

The assumption in all this is that in the next 50 years some road like it will be needed.

[silvergate]

Originally Posted by daud

well, if (and its a big if) you assume that something will be built eventually, building it closer to the core will have the lesser impact on sprawl.

If, in the next 50 years, we do nothing and MTO decides to build a Kars to Vars road, sprawl will be rampant and likely will also include areas outside the city limits.

The idea is that this road could act as a conduit for development, thus building as close to the core will ensure development remains well within city limits. Not building it runs a risk that it will be built further out.

The assumption in all this is that in the next 50 years some road like it will be needed.

Or, you build it, sprawl happens anyway, and 50 years later people want another connecting highway even further south.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by daud

The idea is that this road could act as a conduit for development, thus building as close to the core will ensure development remains well within city limits. Not building it runs a risk that it will be built further out.

The problem is that the areas this new facility would pass through (Barrhaven, Riverside South and Findlay Creek) are already planned for development and are developing without this road in the plans. There is no additional development to be attracted unless Greenbelt land is opened up, which is not going to happen.

[Kitchissippi]

IIRC, the original route for a freeway bypass in the 1980s was a bit north of Hunt Club. The region decided to widen Hunt Club instead and connected it with the intended corridor farther west, thus West Hunt Club was born.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

IIRC, the original route for a freeway bypass in the 1980s was a bit north of Hunt Club. The region decided to widen Hunt Club instead and connected it with the intended corridor farther west, thus West Hunt Club was born.

I remember that.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

IIRC, the original route for a freeway bypass in the 1980s was a bit north of Hunt Club. The region decided to widen Hunt Club instead and connected it with the intended corridor farther west, thus West Hunt Club was born.

I think they made the right choice.

[daud]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

The problem is that the areas this new facility would pass through (Barrhaven, Riverside South and Findlay Creek) are already planned for development and are developing without this road in the plans. There is no additional development to be attracted unless Greenbelt land is opened up, which is not going to happen.

A grade separated leitrim is not going to happen, we all know that, but a widening of 2 -4 lanes with retail and business along the way is not going to solve anything. The south end of the city will be a traffic nightmare in 5-10 years.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by daud

A grade separated leitrim is not going to happen, we all know that, but a widening of 2 -4 lanes with retail and business along the way is not going to solve anything. The south end of the city will be a traffic nightmare in 5-10 years.

So true. Highways need not be grade separated to be effective, but line them with retail and they become a congested mess from all the extra traffic lights and local traffic.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by roger1818

So true. Highways need not be grade separated to be effective, but line them with retail and they become a congested mess from all the extra traffic lights and local traffic.

Yep. I think many of the City`s Arterials (thinking Hunt Club) have an identity crisis. I think we need to take the difference between "Arterial Mainstreet" and "Arterial", seriously.

[rocketphish]

Resdesigned Slater Street plan released to Ottawa councillors
Roadway being redesigned as Transitway is being decommissioned.

By: Kieran Delamont, Metro
Published on Sun Oct 22 2017



The city has settled on a preliminary road realignment plan that would see the western intersection between Albert and Slater Street simplified as the city moves towards decommissioning the Transitway with the opening of the LRT.

A memo sent to members of council by transportation boss John Manconi provided an update on the design study of Albert Street and Slater Street.

The preliminary design would see the westernmost end of Slater street moved north, while Bronson Avenue would be widened to include four lanes.

The plan still needs the sign-off of the NCC, since the proposed alignment of Slater Street cuts through a chunk of federal land. Manconi said in the memo, however, that preliminary discussions with the NCC suggest that they are supportive of the design.

“This concept improves the road grid network and simplifies intersection operations, while also providing more land for infill development,” wrote Manconi. As it exists now, a number of the intersections in the area include three streets, often with unorthodox angles."

The public will have a chance to weigh in on the design, as well as see the other options considered, at a public meeting later this fall. A full proposal is expected to be tabled next year, with construction planned to begin in 2019.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/2017...plan-released-to-ottawa-councillors.html

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

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It would be nice if they can run a MUP or stairwell (with a ramp to push a bike up or down, see below) from Laurier down to the lower part of Albert.

[J.OT13]

If people can turn left from Albert to Bronson, why do they still need the left turning little ramp mid-block?

In any case, it's an improvement.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

If people can turn left from Albert to Bronson, why do they still need the left turning little ramp mid-block?

Because traffic from Commissioner will be forced to turn right on Albert.

[J.OT13]

I feel like Commissioner and bastard Wellington (or Wellington the third if you will) should be... well... decommissioned.

[jimmyjones]

Originally Posted by roger1818

It would be nice if they can run a MUP or stairwell (with a ramp to push a bike up or down, see below) from Laurier down to the lower part of Albert.

Am I the only one who finds it easier to just carry your bike either up, or down the stairs instead?

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by jimmyjones

Am I the only one who finds it easier to just carry your bike either up, or down the stairs instead?

Some people can't lift stuff let alone carry it upstairs.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Some people can't lift stuff let alone carry it upstairs.

It also depends on how light the bike is and how heavily it is packed. Add some panniers and it could get quite heavy.