Canadian Airport Thread

[LeftCoaster]

There is actually more or less no extra capacity S17 vs S16 on YVR-Europe.

European carriers were flat and AC cancelled their second daily YVR-LHR but instituted YVR-FRA and YVR-LGW. Net change in seats was 826 at its peak.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

There is actually more or less no extra capacity S17 vs S16 on YVR-Europe.

European carriers were flat and AC cancelled their second daily YVR-LHR but instituted YVR-FRA and YVR-LGW. Net change in seats was 826 at its peak.

Yeah.... no concern about YVR-Europe. Next summer there will be a "moderate" increase to Europe.

And I still think, based on YVR's geographic location and population base YVR is VERY well covered!

I still find it amusing that some people still complain about YVR's global reach being inadequate.... or if a new service is added at a neighbouring airport a doom and gloom outlook is painted. There are STILL more additions to come folks so don't fret.... might not be the flood of new services we've been enjoying lately but there will still be more!

YVR still the #2 point of entry for Canada. Not bad for a city of 2.5 million far flung out on the West Coast!

[cyeg66]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Domestic passengers aren't real people.

Not only that, but absolutely no significant percentage of those domestic passengers are flying to "hubs" to board those sexy, international flights. None whatsoever.

[SignalHillHiker]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Montrealers celebrating the news this afternoon:

Savage.

[cyeg66]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Montrealers celebrating the news this afternoon:

Oh? I haven't been following the news lately. Bombardier must've managed to bullshit their way out of the litany of anti-competitive charges brought against them by other planemakers and countries....

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by cyeg66

Bombardier must've managed to bullshit their way out of the litany of anti-competitive charges brought against them by other planemakers and countries....

lol....Cheap shot.......

[chris]

Originally Posted by wave46

It's almost as if Calgary is the hub for a major Canadian airline that focuses almost exclusively on North American travel.

[thenoflyzone]

OAG published it's megahub international index for 2017.

The index reveals the 50 most internationally connected airports. Airports are ranked by comparing the number of scheduled connections to and from international flights with the number of destinations served from the airport.

No surprise, LHR is first.
YYZ came in 5th
YVR in 26th
YUL in 43rd.

In North America, YYZ is 2nd, YVR is 9th and YUL 14th.

Good job by Canada's 3 largest hubs to be in the Top 50 worldwide.

Also, thanks to Rouge and WestJet's international expansion, YYZ now features in the Top 25 Low-Cost megahubs, coming in at number 16. The list takes into account intl connections between low cost flights (same or different low-cost airline)

Official Index can be downloaded here for free.

Another link to index here. (originally posted by Johnny Aussie in the YVR thread, thanks again !)

[G.S MTL]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

OAG published it's megahub international index for 2017.

The index reveals the 50 most internationally connected airports. Airports are ranked by comparing the number of scheduled connections to and from international flights with the number of destinations served from the airport.

No surprise, LHR is first.
YYZ came in 5th
YVR in 26th
YUL in 43rd.

In North America, YYZ is 2nd, YVR is 9th and YUL 14th.

Good job by Canada's 3 largest hubs to be in the Top 50 worldwide.

Also, thanks to Rouge and WestJet's international expansion, YYZ now features in the Top 25 Low-Cost megahubs, coming in at number 16. The list takes into account intl connections between low cost flights (same or different low-cost airline)

Official Index can be downloaded here for free.

Another link to index here. (originally posted by Johnny Aussie in the YVR thread, thanks again !)

Nice ! BUT YUL will jump quite a lot in ranking in the next few years gauranteed

[DrNest]

That's an interesting article on connectivity. I was intrigued, but not totally surprised, to see that Vancouver has more weekly flights to China than any other airport in North America and Europe.

[LeftCoaster]

Original scoop goes to max but nname with the link:

Hainan airlines adding a Shenzhen --> Tianjin --> Vancouver route beginning in March 2018.

Hainan had applied for and received Tianjin - Vancouver over a year ago but never announced a start date so finally some clarity on what they are doing here.

Originally Posted by nname

http://www.caac.gov.cn/XXGK/XXGK/TZTG/201710/t20171012_47165.html
(in Chinese)

Translate: Hainan Airlines applied to convert the approved TSN-YVR route into SZX-TSN-YVR from Mar 2018, 2x weekly, using A330 or B787.

Basically what Max said...

These are the final two frequencies allotted to Chinese airlines in the current bilateral, so unless something gets changed that's it for new frequencies from China. Capacity can still be added by increasing the size of the planes but a lot of the routes are already flown by pretty large aircraft so there's not a ton of room for growth. Hopefully the two governments get together and add some more capacity for the years to come. Still a lot of unused capacity on the Canadian side, however western airlines have had difficulty breaking into the secondary city market in China so AC/WJ would have their work cut out for them.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by DrNest

That's an interesting article on connectivity. I was intrigued, but not totally surprised, to see that Vancouver has more weekly flights to China than any other airport in North America and Europe.

.... and the list grows... 7 mainland Chinese airlines and 11 total Chinese airline when including HK and Taiwan. This will be YVR's 24th overseas carrier... other than YYZ of course, no other Canadian airport comes close to this number. Crazy for such a tiny city.

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Original scoop goes to max but nname with the link:

Hainan airlines adding a Shenzhen --> Tianjin --> Vancouver route beginning in March 2018.

Hainan had applied for and received Tianjin - Vancouver over a year ago but never announced a start date so finally some clarity on what they are doing here.

These are the final two frequencies allotted to Chinese airlines in the current bilateral, so unless something gets changed that's it for new frequencies from China. Capacity can still be added by increasing the size of the planes but a lot of the routes are already flown by pretty large aircraft so there's not a ton of room for growth. Hopefully the two governments get together and add some more capacity for the years to come. Still a lot of unused capacity on the Canadian side, however western airlines have had difficulty breaking into the secondary city market in China so AC/WJ would have their work cut out for them.

Yes... perhaps that's why AC is staying away from the secondary cities.

[jmt18325]

I'm still disappointed that they haven't started flying to CAN.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

I'm still disappointed that they haven't started flying to CAN.

Maybe they know something we don't?

Perhaps it will happen, perhaps not?

[wave46]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

I'm still disappointed that they haven't started flying to CAN.

Maybe AC wants to 'save' their potential frequencies for higher yielding flights to major Chinese cities. As soon as the new Beijing airport opens, that will allow an increase in flights to that city, as I think PEK has restrictions on it now. Also, AC probably has a higher percentage of Canadian citizens on their flights, so the major cities take precedence over secondary destinations in China.

Chinese airlines - by virtue of being limited in the routes that they can fly by the Chinese government - have an incentive to jump onto a given route before a domestic competitor does. They then have a monopoly on that route as other Chinese carriers are not permitted to compete on it. Whether the route is profitable is another question.

[jmt18325]

CAN was on their map - that's why I'm disappointed.

[wave46]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

CAN was on their map - that's why I'm disappointed.

I've not been keeping up on AC's projected expansions.

Maybe when they get their last 787s, they'll end up flying to CAN? Unless the 787s are a 1:1 replacement for existing 767 routes?

[nname]

The expansion map was made before the mass expansion of Chinese airlines flying into Canada. With CZ now fly to both YYZ and YVR, it just become less likely.

There are also other destinations on that map - SIN, BKK, CTS, AKL, ... not all of them will eventually happen (AC already stated that AKL is not happening, and they are still looking at SIN/BKK)

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Hopefully the two governments get together and add some more capacity for the years to come.

Hopefully not. Canada doesn't need more Chinese carriers flooding YVR with trash yields, or more Chinese, for that matter.

It's not normal that a Vancouverite cannot purchase a house in his own city because some Chinese with a suitcase full of cash is buying up everything he can. Same for Toronto.

The cap on flights won't stop this of course, but it will help limit it. It will also help increase the yields across the Pacific, as demand will catch up or surpass supply.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

.... and the list grows... 7 mainland Chinese airlines and 11 total Chinese airline when including HK and Taiwan. This will be YVR's 24th overseas carrier... other than YYZ of course, no other Canadian airport comes close to this number. Crazy for such a tiny city.

not as crazy as a certain airport in Quintana Roo with close to 20 overseas carriers and a sub 1 million population. You of all people should know.....

[Denscity]

Plane hit by drone landing in Quebec City.