YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[nname]

WS also have flight between Comox and Puerto Vallarta first before adding Vancouver

Kamloops and Penticton also have WS flight to Calgary but not Vancouver.

[mezzanine]

Not directly related to YVR, but boeing's 'we love Canada' PR popped into my feed today, probably to counter its actions against bombaridier.

anyone know any info about their ops in Vancouver? seems to figure prominently in their PR info.





http://www.boeing.com/specialty/canada/index.page

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/boeing-trudeau-bombardier-1.4348205

[Gordon]

Nice to see WS encore growing at yvr, I woncder if they would ever got to Trail\Castlegar.

Why doesn't encore have any bridge adapters so they can use bridges or some of their flights?

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Nice to see WS encore growing at yvr, I woncder if they would ever got to Trail\Castlegar.

Why doesn't encore have any bridge adapters so they can use bridges or some of their flights?

Oh please Castlegar!!
Trail's runway may be too short and they don't have any security.

[excel]

Yes Trail is not doable. Their ramp can barely accommodate a Beechcraft 1900 and the runway is too short. Not to mention next to nothing for instrument approaches.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by excel

Yes Trail is not doable. Their ramp can barely accommodate a Beechcraft 1900 and the runway is too short. Not to mention next to nothing for instrument approaches.

And the south end of their runway is practically on the US border so permission is required to enter that airspace.

[Spork]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

Not directly related to YVR, but boeing's 'we love Canada' PR popped into my feed today, probably to counter its actions against bombaridier.

anyone know any info about their ops in Vancouver? seems to figure prominently in their PR info.





http://www.boeing.com/specialty/canada/index.page

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/boeing-trudeau-bombardier-1.4348205

Software and analytics.

[casper]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

Not directly related to YVR, but boeing's 'we love Canada' PR popped into my feed today, probably to counter its actions against bombaridier.

anyone know any info about their ops in Vancouver? seems to figure prominently in their PR info.





http://www.boeing.com/specialty/canada/index.page

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/boeing-trudeau-bombardier-1.4348205

Here is the link.... http://www.boeing.ca/boeing-in-canada/boeing-vancouver.page

Operations research, analytics, software etc. Mostly in Richmond and recently they expended in downtown Vancouver. They also have close ties to some BC based companies that do a fair amount of work for them. RaceRock 3D (http://racerocks3d.ca/) in Victoria for one.

Winnipeg is composites.

[excel]

Originally Posted by Denscity

And the south end of their runway is practically on the US border so permission is required to enter that airspace.

This is not an issue. First off US airspace is only used while conducting the RNAV approach for runway 16 and permission can be granted from Canadian ATC to operate in US airspace while conducting the IFR approach unless there are MOA restrictions outlined in current NOTAMS. Even when the MOA south of the boarder is in use, permission is still granted 99% of the time.

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by excel

This is not an issue. First off US airspace is only used while conducting the RNAV approach for runway 16 and permission can be granted from Canadian ATC to operate in US airspace while conducting the IFR approach unless there are MOA restrictions outlined in current NOTAMS. Even when the MOA south of the boarder is in use, permission is still granted 99% of the time.

Lot of acronyms used in this response but i believe you are correct.

[excel]

Originally Posted by moosejaw

Lot of acronyms used in this response but i believe you are correct.

It was until I noticed I said runway 16. I meant 34

[Denscity]

Aah I had heard the US border was at least a slight issue. Having to get permission whenever needed makes it not 100% reliable enough for one of the big 2 airlines to come into town. Regardless the runway is way too short with no plans to expand. In fact they just repaved the existing short runway. Castlegar's runway however is 5300 feet long with an empty check in desk and plans to double the post security area. And have been in discussions with WestJet Encore regarding new service to YCG.

[Max.]

Hainan Airline announced the new Shenzhen-Tianjin-Vancouver service starting March, 2018. This flight will operate 2 weekly with B787/A330.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Max.

Hainan Airline announced the new Shenzhen-Tianjin-Vancouver service starting March, 2018. This flight will operate 2 weekly with B787/A330.

Where did you hear this? Haven't seen any news of it online, at least in the English media.

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Where did you hear this? Haven't seen any news of it online, at least in the English media.

http://www.caac.gov.cn/XXGK/XXGK/TZTG/201710/t20171012_47165.html
(in Chinese)

Translate: Hainan Airlines applied to convert the approved TSN-YVR route into SZX-TSN-YVR from Mar 2018, 2x weekly, using A330 or B787.

Basically what Max said...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

http://www.caac.gov.cn/XXGK/XXGK/TZTG/201710/t20171012_47165.html
(in Chinese)

Translate: Hainan Airlines applied to convert the approved TSN-YVR route into SZX-TSN-YVR from Mar 2018, 2x weekly, using A330 or B787.

Basically what Max said...

Well there’s the missing two frequencies allocated finally being used.

Great news!

7th mainland Chinese carrier for YVR and 11 Chinese carriers including HK and Taiwan. FAR OUT!

My reliable source says twice weekly not really ideal or viable but China does have a use it orlose it policy.... so they’ve decided to use it!

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by nname

http://www.caac.gov.cn/XXGK/XXGK/TZTG/201710/t20171012_47165.html
(in Chinese)

Translate: Hainan Airlines applied to convert the approved TSN-YVR route into SZX-TSN-YVR from Mar 2018, 2x weekly, using A330 or B787.

Basically what Max said...

Well then great scoop to Max and thanks for finding the support!

Glad to see the 2 final frequencies used by Chinese airlines. Still hoping that bilateral gets opened up again soon.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Well there’s the missing two frequencies allocated finally being used.

Great news!

7th mainland Chinese carrier for YVR and 11 Chinese carriers including HK and Taiwan. FAR OUT!

My reliable source says twice weekly not really ideal or viable but China does have a use it orlose it policy.... so they’ve decided to use it!

Well, SZX makes sense as it seems like the government there giving out alot of subsidy for long-hual routes (along with this application, HU also applied for SZX-BRU and SZX-DUB, 2x weekly each)

Both CZ and CA are also eying on long-hual from SZX and probably looked at SZX-YVR, but there's no frequency available without reducing other routes. Not sure if AC looked at that either, but they may not get as much subsidy from the government as other Chinese carriers?

Donghai Airlines (DZ, based in SZX) also ordered 789 for long-hual and might possibly go for YVR if it's not taken. But there's no slot left anywhere in North America now...

So I feel in a way, HU not only secure their 2x weekly allocation, but also secure the route from SZX and prevent other Chinese airlines from taking it... unless AC or WS want to join the battle....


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I wonder if this is what the YVR CEO hinted for a "new Chinese carrier coming to Vancouver to be announced later this year"

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

I wonder if this is what the YVR CEO hinted for a "new Chinese carrier coming to Vancouver to be announced later this year"

It would have to be. It was either going to be Hainan or Tianjin Airlines... both part of the same group.

So that’s it... all Chinese frequencies have been alotted.

YVR will hav one less Mainland Chinese carrier than MEL

Also, my source told me the other option was add more YYC-PEK but even though they feel TSN-YVR at 2pw isn’t that viable they’re doing it to secure the route and YVR-TSN at 2pw would be more viable than adding more YYC-PEK. That should say something about YYC-China and YYC-Asia in general . Hence why AC is adding YUL-Asia and cutting back on YYC-NRT and not adding any more flights.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YVR will hav one less Mainland Chinese carrier than MEL

Tianjin Airlines?

Well, GS still wants to fly to YVR, and they're still saying that in their press releases... Not sure how they will do that now even if bilateral expanded, as HU will be running the route.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Also, my source told me the other option was add more YYC-PEK but even though they feel TSN-YVR at 2pw isn’t that viable they’re doing it to secure the route and YVR-TSN at 2pw would be more viable than adding more YYC-PEK. That should say something about YYC-China and YYC-Asia in general . Hence why AC is adding YUL-Asia and cutting back on YYC-NRT and not adding any more flights.

Either way they're not making any money I think... Adding the SZX leg is just to find someone to cover some of the loss

I remember reading on a Chinese forum saying that none of the secondary Chinese-US route is anywhere close to be profitable... just that some route lose more money than the others... And yet all the Chinese airlines are fighting to get them....

UA's flight to secondary Chinese cities seems to have consistently the highest LF and more expensive, and even they are closing some of them due to loss...