YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 595

mezzanine · #**11881** Posted **Aug 31, 2017, 8:57 PM**

Wow. still amazed about the expansions today. my next near-medium term predictions:

another round of NA expansions - if AC needs 'to build the hub' further before they add more intl destinations. it means more US feed. IMO Australia service is a unique feature to YVR and I see more draw from IAD, year-round BOS and SLC service. Even MIA may be feasible.
I suspect TG will aim to start YVR BKK and AC has its eyes on YVR SIN.

excel · #**11882** Posted **Aug 31, 2017, 9:12 PM**

This is amazing news. So happy about Zurich

Lancaster · #**11883** Posted **Sep 1, 2017, 12:23 AM**

Excellent announcements today considering how poor yields are in the asian market. Happy to see AC not shifting focus away from YVR.

I can't wait to see what the CSeries does for YVR.

trofirhen · #**11884** Posted **Sep 1, 2017, 12:50 AM**

All these new flight announcements are like having Christmas in summer.
Further to which, we still have that "game-changing, groundbreaking" route which is supposed to be announced - by Johnny, one would hope - before year's end.
YVR is certainly becoming a hub in its own right, and no longer largely a feeder spoke for YYZ, which is so refreshing - and empowering.

Johnny Aussie · #**11885** Posted **Sep 1, 2017, 1:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

I think KLM does 6x weekly to YYC in the winter. Looking at the schedule for this winter it looks like its everyday except for Thursday, all operated by the 789.

No. This winter drops to 5pw in Jan and Feb.

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Originally Posted by Chikinlittle

YVR-CDG
YVR-ZRH.

Boom.

http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/air...ner-routes-from-vancouver-642379083.html

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Originally Posted by Canadian74

also MEL and DEL are now year round and LHR is double daily in summer

Wow, big additions. AC really solidifying YVR

Yes all good news. Amazing the flip flop on LHR too. YVR is the only airport in Western Canada getting attention these last few years.

Thrilled about MEL-YVR going Year-round. MEL is going nuts!

thenoflyzone · #**11886** Posted **Sep 1, 2017, 1:27 AM**

Amazing stuff by AC.

CDG was to be expected. And with ZRH, they are targeting mostly the inbound Swiss traveller. Basically directly competing against Edelweiss.

With the resumption of a second daily YVR-LHR, I wouldn't be surprised if AC decides to pull YVR-LGW, and make YYZ-LGW daily again, to better compete against the upcoming BA LGW-YYZ.

sunsetmountainland · #**11887** Posted **Sep 1, 2017, 2:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Amazing stuff by AC.

CDG was to be expected. And with ZRH, they are targeting mostly the inbound Swiss traveller. Basically directly competing against Edelweiss.

With the resumption of a second daily YVR-LHR, I wouldn't be surprised if AC decides to pull YVR-LGW, and make YYZ-LGW daily again, to better compete against the upcoming BA LGW-YYZ.

Do you have info about the AC pulling YVR-LGW?

thenoflyzone · #**11888** Posted **Sep 1, 2017, 2:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by sunsetmountainland

Do you have info about the AC pulling YVR-LGW?

No. This is purely a speculation on my behalf.

trofirhen · #**11889** Posted **Sep 1, 2017, 2:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by sunsetmountainland

Do you have info about the AC pulling YVR-LGW?

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

No. This is purely a speculation on my behalf.

I wish Norwegian would, or could, do LGW as they do out of Seattle. They won't, given the rules and regulations, and WJ already flies that route, but I'd love to see Norwegian at YVR.

Cage · #**11890** Posted **Sep 1, 2017, 6:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by sunsetmountainland

Do you have info about the AC pulling YVR-LGW?

None of today's announcements appear to have been loaded into RES3 or the various GDS systems. Additionally YVR-LGW is still showing in RES3, FWIW.

Massive increase in flying over the past 2 years. WS longhaul Dreamliners are going to find that all the low hanging fruit has been picked by AC mainline and Rouge.

Alexcaban · #**11891** Posted **Sep 1, 2017, 8:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by sunsetmountainland

Do you have info about the AC pulling YVR-LGW?

AC will indeed be pulling the plug on YVR-LGW, this will be reflected in the schedule in the upcoming weeks.

Johnny Aussie · #**11892** Posted **Sep 1, 2017, 9:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by Cage

None of today's announcements appear to have been loaded into RES3 or the various GDS systems. Additionally YVR-LGW is still showing in RES3, FWIW.

Massive increase in flying over the past 2 years. WS longhaul Dreamliners are going to find that all the low hanging fruit has been picked by AC mainline and Rouge.

No kidding. Assuming YVR-LGW does get the axe that's still going to be 31 weekly flights YVR-Europe on AC and rouge.... hard to believe not so long ago YVR-Europe on AC consisted of a single daily flight to LHR only.

Looks like Edelweiss is increasing YVR-ZRH to 4 weekly next summer as well. Not sure if that had been reported yet.

s211 · #**11893** Posted **Sep 1, 2017, 2:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

MEL is going nuts!

In what fashion? Media mentions?

LeftCoaster · #**11894** Posted **Sep 1, 2017, 7:56 PM**

No he means MEL the airport is growing like crazy. This is no where near the only new route to melbourne right now.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

No kidding. Assuming YVR-LGW does get the axe that's still going to be 31 weekly flights YVR-Europe on AC and rouge.... hard to believe not so long ago YVR-Europe on AC consisted of a single daily flight to LHR only.

Looks like Edelweiss is increasing YVR-ZRH to 4 weekly next summer as well. Not sure if that had been reported yet.

I was looking at my ol charts and saw that total Europe growth from Summer 16 to Summer '18 is 18.5% so in line with the growth in PAX we've been seeing. Still a massive number though! And ya the Edelweiss bump was mentioned here a little while back I think, at least I have it in my chart.

And speak of... with yesterday's announcement we crossed over a really cool threshold I've been waiting a long time to see, 100,000 international seats per week as I measure it! (100,008 to be precise).

Also worth noting that with the AC announcement we're already showing 15% growth in seats to Europe/London for next summer. Let the good times roll!

LeftCoaster · #**11895** Posted **Sep 1, 2017, 9:28 PM**

Well not to be too much of a downer here with all the good news of late but July numbers are out and growth continues to slow:

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/...ly/asd/july2017_traffic_update.pdf?la=en

Domestic up 5.5%
International up 8.7%

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Total pax count up 7.1% and over 163,000 compared to July 2016.

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Int'l breakdown by sector:

Transborder up 9.8%
Asia Pacific up 9.1%
Europe up 2.6%
Misc Int'l up 29.0%

I don't mean to have too high standards, as +7.00% growth is still fantastic, but given the growth in seats we continue to see capacity go unabsorbed. This is not great and will probably slow growth down going forward. Asia for instance is up ~20% in seats but only 9.1% in PAX so loads must be suffering. Hopefully Airlines were anticipating a 2-3 year buuld up of services, but still not a great result.

Also, Europe growth is low but the increased seats were only 3.0% so growth of 2.6% is nearly all of the capacity absorbed. Looking even deeper scheduled Europe PAX growth was up 3.4% so loads look like they've increased.

trofirhen · #**11896** Posted **Sep 2, 2017, 5:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Thrilled about MEL-YVR going Year-round. MEL is going nuts!

This explosive growth at MEL seems concomitant with the fact that Melbourne is growing so fast, poised to regain its position as Australia's largest city within 20 years, maybe less.
It really seems that city size has an enormous bearing on airports stats. In Canada, the exception of Montreal being number 3 and Vancouver at number 2 is surely due to the huge YVR - Asia traffic, which is rather an exceptional situation. Correct me if I'm wrong.

thenoflyzone · #**11897** Posted **Sep 2, 2017, 5:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

In Canada, the exception of Montreal being number 3 and Vancouver at number 2 is surely due to the huge YVR - Asia traffic, which is rather an exceptional situation. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Not quite.

July stats:

YVR July International (no US) - 659,658 +7.8%

YUL July International (no US) - 819,082 +14.5%

Lack of domestic travel at YUL is the main reason.

YVR July Domestic - 1,154,635 +5.5%

YUL July Domestic 701,599 +9.7%

trofirhen · #**11898** Posted **Sep 2, 2017, 5:55 PM**

^So that's it !!! I could never understand it, what with Montreal being so much bigger than Vancouver. Know I know. Mystery solved.

Canadian74 · #**11899** Posted **Sep 2, 2017, 7:53 PM**

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YVR July International (no US) - 659,658 +7.8%

YUL July International (no US) - 819,082 +14.5%

US should be included with International when comparing, that's just dumb

trofirhen · #**11900** Posted **Sep 2, 2017, 8:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Canadian74

US should be included with International when comparing, that's just dumb

I think that's how they do it in the USA with pax stats; i.e; there's no "transborder," just domestic and international. Interestingly, the Number One International destination from Seattle is (drum roll) ... Vancouver. The number one "international" destination from Vancouver is Los Angeles. I guess that makes sense, but that YVR is SEA-TAC's most frequented foreign destination blows me away a little bit.