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Old Posted Aug 24, 2017, 3:25 AM
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Ugly trucks with balls can drive into the downtown of any major city. The roads don't block them.
Actually, in some (likely considered "well-designed") urban areas, roads do just that, by being too narrow for them. Examples in, respectively, Philadephia and Quebec City:






     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2017, 3:31 AM
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This street still exists as is today, and is open to vehicular traffic... pretty sure no dually trucks could fit (plus, there's a 90-degree turn in the middle of it, not sure a crewcab dually F350 or Silverado 3500 or Ram 3500 could even make that turn).

     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2017, 1:50 PM
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There's coal rollers sneaking about in Toronto and all across Ontario. Balls aren't illegal.

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Old Posted Aug 24, 2017, 1:54 PM
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Long time ago, the guy that parked next to me in my downtown condo had crew cab. I still have no clue how he got in and out everyday. Those streets wouldn't be a problem for him.
     
     
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There's coal rollers sneaking about in Toronto and all across Ontario. Balls are illegal.
Really? I thought they were just a crime against good taste!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2017, 2:16 PM
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2017, 2:34 PM
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2017, 2:41 PM
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This street still exists as is today, and is open to vehicular traffic... pretty sure no dually trucks could fit (plus, there's a 90-degree turn in the middle of it, not sure a crewcab dually F350 or Silverado 3500 or Ram 3500 could even make that turn).

Yet it doesn't seem to stop delivery trucks moving trucks garbage trucks etc from driving around.

And I'm not sure why we are signalling out trucks. A lot of sedans are just as wide or wider than trucks
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2017, 3:23 PM
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We can't just make all the streets prohibitively small just to keep stupid trucks out of them.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2017, 8:06 PM
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Freedom is for someone to be open about their sexuality and not be arrested for it. Freedom is for women to say no to a men and not be bludgeoned for it. These self centred assholes types with no consideration for others that may drive big ass trucks or may support Trump under the veil of freedom of expression (note: it doesn't mean laws aren't being broken either out of pure ignorance) loses most of the meaning of what freedom is. Sorry but, I find you having brought up the freedom line in this context funny and your follow up response equally funny and I responded in kind. I understand. Not everyone gets my humour. However, it also makes me proud to live in Canada for people to that self absorb, inconsiderate and, ignorant.
I disagree, it doesn't lose the meaning of what freedom is. In additiona to sexuality, religion, etc, freedom means you (hypothetically) can be an asshole and that's fine, it's not freedom from offense, it's freedom to be. It's perhaps a frustration of freedom, much like coal-rollers (if it's legal in their region).

If those aren't protected, then the definition of freedom gradually shrinks until a very fine line defines the collective and everyone outside of it is marginalized, ergo, the opposite of freedom.

Regardless, I didn't intend to start such a strong tangent, and I probably misread your humour. I'll adapt a little.

However, I probably share many of the frustrations you share aside from YC condos (lol), as I think big huge trucks that don't go off-road are stupid.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2017, 8:32 PM
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We can't just make all the streets prohibitively small just to keep stupid trucks out of them.
My point wasn't supposed to be taken that literally, but it's true that in the really dense areas (old cores of Montreal and Quebec City for example) you have noticeably less trucks because they're actually really inconvenient to park and maneuver.
     
     
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I drive a Chev 2500 double cab long bed truck around Vancouver. I run a landscaping business and we provide some services on the downtown peninsula. I use it to transport 1000's of pounds of natural stone, soil, excavated materials as well as plants and trimmings. most people don't understand and just assume I'm being a dick. they have never had to do hands on work that involves moving heavy objects or they would understand.
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My point wasn't supposed to be taken that literally, but it's true that in the really dense areas (old cores of Montreal and Quebec City for example) you have noticeably less trucks because they're actually really inconvenient to park and maneuver.
I noticed looks of delivery trucks in old mtl. Didn't seem to deter them. It's like all the narrow lanes in Vancouver, I always see trucks easily going in and out of them. I think once you get used to it it's fine
     
     
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Hey everyone, remember Mike Duffy?

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I noticed looks of delivery trucks in old mtl. Didn't seem to deter them.
Exactly the point - those who need such vehicles won't be deterred, but for those you don't, the inconvenience plays a role in the choice of vehicle. Again, all the proof you need is that there are comparatively few of these rigs (big 4x4 8-lug 2500/3500 pickups as personal vehicles) in the cores of Montreal and Quebec City - it's very noticeable.

Incidentally, the last time I went driving in Mtl's old core was with my diesel 4x4 Silvy and it was more annoying to park than what I'm used to (small cars).
     
     
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I don't know whether to file this here or if there's another thread for the laughably absurd.

Long story in a not-so nutshell: The fate of Third Avenue United Church in Saskatoon (streetview), an absolutely beloved building in the city, has been in limbo for the past few years after it was put it up for sale in the face of a dwindling congregation. Against the congregation's wishes, church governance sold it to a (crackpot) developer instead of a community group who wanted to turn it into a concert venue (the acoustics are sublime and there's no mid-sized venue like it in town between small live music joints and our large auditorium).

So they sold it to this crackpot, John Orr, with the *hope and prayer* that he'd go slap a heritage designation on it. Not so fast, he said, I've got plans first. Then he went bankrupt, and ownership of the church fell to 2 local realtors who'd been offered the property as collateral in a prior deal with Orr. City Council is watching and says, this sh*t is out of hand, let's move ahead with heritage designation. So Council moved to designate the property unilaterally - a first for them.

Who objects at the public hearing? John Orr, who's now contesting ownership in court and wants to get the church back and do this thing. Because he objects, rules require a provincial review board to be convened and make a recommendation to City Council. They finally recommend unequivocally: designate this thing already!

I say "finally" because it took forever for the province to get their act together and hold a hearing. In the interim the 2 realtor owners had the property up for sale and were getting antsy about extracting their investment from it. Rumours get out that they're trying to hire a demolition company to knock the thing down in the middle of the night, prompting the City to seek a court order that says: No touchy!

So now the matter is finally headed back to Council for a final decision, with a supportive report from the provincial board. John Orr, still hoping he can get the property back, is complaining loudly and has released to the public the renderings of what he had planned to do:





http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/bid-to-build-skyscraper-avenue-church-big-blow-1.4260771

Absolutely laughable! And a disgusting offence to a fine structure.

From the above article, Orr claims that designation will "condemn the church to become a derelict building" and that no banks will lend him money for construction of his tower if the church is protected. Hah! What bank on earth would lend him money regardless?!

Anyway, it sounds like this story - with all its ugliness - may end on a happy note yet. One of the current owners is quoted saying a local group is interested in purchasing and is fine with designation (hopefully it's that concert venue group). I'll end with an image of the lovely interior:



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Ahahahaha!!!! That has got to be a joke. That is the worst idea of facadism I have ever seen.
     
     
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Oh this guy thinks he's for real. The whole saga defies belief.
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Where are those other buildings from in the reflection on the first image?
     
     
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Obvs Edmonton or Calgary. Beautiful church btw.
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