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I'm curious what kind of person travels around with a club in their vehicle?
That's what I thought. What kind of place would you even find that in? They sure as shit don't sell them at crappy tire.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2017, 6:38 AM
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Ironic. I don't disagree with you though.
I don't think its strange to acknowledge that our own response to a situation would be the wrong one.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2017, 3:24 PM
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I don't think its strange to acknowledge that our own response to a situation would be the wrong one.
I just meant it's ironic cause your response to a guy beating up someone else would be to beat him up. He would totally have it coming but it's still ironic.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2017, 5:40 PM
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The driver’s only defence was an adamant, and repeated, “I tried to walk away.”
how the fuck do you try to walk away when you have a goddam club in your hand?

What a fucking psycho asshole. Carrying around a club, just in case some cyclist gets out of line.

The incident is getting widespread coverage even in the Excited States.
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I can't put my finger on why exactly but these road rage incidents tend to make me laugh - the extreme ridiculousness of it. That Chainsaw Guy who made the news a couple years ago in the Mtl area triggered the same weird reaction in me; most of them do. (Even in this Peterborough case, which is clearly sad due to the cyclist suffering actual injuries.)

I suppose part of my brain assumes it must be staged - no other possible explanation for an idiot with a club feeling the need to escalate a tiny traffic issue to such levels. Madness.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2017, 7:51 PM
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I did express some road rage once in my life (zero regrets), as a cyclist, and in retrospect I am pretty convinced it was worth it to teach that person a lesson, for the sake of all other cyclists he'll share the road with. Obviously no physical violence involved, just being pissed off enough (with good reasons; and he ended up agreeing).

Now that I think about it - all the times I've been actually angry on the road towards a specific other driver was as a cyclist, and that's only because my life was actually threatened.

Seems much more... normal to me that a cyclist would end up beating up a pickup truck driver with a club, after an incident that could easily have produced a major crash between the two and for which each party think the other is at fault, rather than the other way around. There's much more at stake for the cyclist.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2017, 7:55 PM
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I can understand anger when another car driver endangers your life when you're in a car or out on a bike, and I can even understand anger at a cyclist who slows you down when you're in a car (though that second scenario will hopefully diminish as we as a society evolve to accept that cyclists have every right to be on the road), but anger at a cyclist on a wide, empty suburban road where clearly there was no way that the cyclist could have been impeding the driver's progress?

Obviously there must have been some sort of preceding altercation that wasn't captured on the video, but even so, that guy is unhinged. In a sane world he would be convicted of attempted murder and sent to prison. He won't, of course. He'll get a fine and won't spend any time in jail.

But how is holding someone down and bashing him repeatedly in the head not attempted murder?
     
     
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There was a road rage incident here the other day, two guys ended up in a confrontation and one ended up running the other over and destryoing his car in the process

I don't drive much anymore, mostly on the weekends, but Edmonton drivers are the absolute worst as both terrible drivers, and hotheads. See bad behaviour on both sides of the spectrum here all the time
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Obviously there must have been some sort of preceding altercation that wasn't captured on the video, but even so, that guy is unhinged.
Yeah, that's guaranteed - the cyclist must have interacted with him before it escalated to blows.

I don't know about you, but when I'm on my bike, there's no way an out-of-shape 65-year-old who is on foot can catch me if I don't want him to. He can overtake me in his truck and try to Ram me (pun intended), which would really be attempted murder then, but he can't get to me in any other way.

Obviously that cyclist decided to stop for him, and probably said stuff (not that it's the cyclist that is most at fault here...)
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2017, 8:14 PM
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I did express some road rage once in my life (zero regrets), as a cyclist, and in retrospect I am pretty convinced it was worth it to teach that person a lesson, for the sake of all other cyclists he'll share the road with. Obviously no physical violence involved, just being pissed off enough (with good reasons; and he ended up agreeing).

Now that I think about it - all the times I've been actually angry on the road towards a specific other driver was as a cyclist, and that's only because my life was actually threatened.

Seems much more... normal to me that a cyclist would end up beating up a pickup truck driver with a club, after an incident that could easily have produced a major crash between the two and for which each party think the other is at fault, rather than the other way around. There's much more at stake for the cyclist.
When you're on a bike you're pumping lots of blood, and the testosterone seems to really kick in (is that physiologically accurate?). I'm grateful to have a large swath of little-trafficked country lanes to ride on, but when I come back into town to do a "victory lap" along Lakeside Drive, a serene and pleasant stretch going by the Festival Theatre full of tourists, ducks and swans with a speed limit of 30 km/h, I sometimes encounter idiots in a frenzy to pass me in spite of the fact that I'm often going 35 km/h behind a long row of cars.

When they honk I look around and shrug my shoulders. If they honk again or yell at me to get over I'll sometimes give them the finger. If traffic comes to a stop in front of me I'll slow down, wait for the offending car to pull up alongside me, and tell them to slow down, it's just 30 km/h here, I have the right to be in the middle of the lane, etc.

This is all with tempers under control. If they argue, stupidly, that I'm supposed to get out of the way so that they can pass me, I say something like "Look, this is a slow, narrow street, you can't pass me if there's oncoming traffic, stop driving like an asshole."

I know that just escalates the anger, and could potentially escalate the situation, but I can't help it. Objectively they are being assholes, but nobody thinks of themselves as assholes, so I probably haven't convinced them that they are (at least, in that moment). Do they rationally consider the reasoning behind what I said later on when they calm down?

Some might. Most probably don't. But if more and more cyclists are out on the road, my hope is that continually encountering situations where they are forced to slow down and wait for oncoming traffic to clear before passing a cyclist will reinforce the logic of it by sheer weight of reason.

I'm...probably naive.
     
     
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The testosterone / adrenaline thing rings true for me as someone who commutes almost solely by biking. Lately I've been trying to force myself to just let things go though. This goes both for asshole drivers that threaten my life and idiot cyclists who obliviously blow through red lights or cut me off. If I've had a rough day or just in a bad mood sometimes I slip and yell at someone. It's satisfying in the moment but often not really a great idea.
     
     
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If there is any silver lining to this disgusting event, it is that I am learning that I am far from being alone at experiencing assholic drivers. I bike to work, and not a week or two goes by without some fucking asshole blasting past me extremely aggressively (within a few inches)...this on some fucking suburban side street, just because I impeded for one second his pickup truck. Or some jerk (often in a pickup truck) cutting me off when I have the right of way, by making a sharp right and turn. Or honking at me at an intersection to move quicker, because Mr. Pickup truck driver is waiting to turn, and he needs his fucking tim whoreton's triple-triple, dammit.

I actually saw some fucking pickup truck rolling coal a few weeks ago. I scrambled for my phone to take a picture, but alas could not make out the license plate.

What the fuck is wrong with people?
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^ had it happen to me in downtown Edmonton earlier this summer. Sitting at a stop light in the ol' Volvo with the windows and sunroof open, and I watch as this big black Dodge truck rolls up slowly to the line next to me, as soon as the light changes he wails on it and we are engulfed in a massive cloud of diesel smoke

I started laughing but the SO was pissed. I'm so used to that shit in this town it doesn't even phase me anymore
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Glad, actually more dismayed, to see we're not alone in Calgary when it comes to idiot truck drivers and coal rollers. Heard a satisfying story a few weeks back though from someone who was going up the ol' QE2 to Red Deer and was being aggressively tailgated by a pickup driving asshole in the right hand lane. The guy was up his bumper and he was pushing 120 or 130. He ends up passing a cop and thinks "Oh shit! Here comes a speeding ticket". Instead of pulling him over the cop goes after the tailgating asshole. Karma!
     
     
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Southern Ontario is much worse than Alberta.
     
     
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Really? I find that very hard to believe.
     
     
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If there is any silver lining to this disgusting event, it is that I am learning that I am far from being alone at experiencing assholic drivers. I bike to work, and not a week or two goes by without some fucking asshole blasting past me extremely aggressively (within a few inches)...this on some fucking suburban side street, just because I impeded for one second his pickup truck. Or some jerk (often in a pickup truck) cutting me off when I have the right of way, by making a sharp right and turn. Or honking at me at an intersection to move quicker, because Mr. Pickup truck driver is waiting to turn, and he needs his fucking tim whoreton's triple-triple, dammit.

I actually saw some fucking pickup truck rolling coal a few weeks ago. I scrambled for my phone to take a picture, but alas could not make out the license plate.

What the fuck is wrong with people?
In my neck of the woods (for cycling, Sherbrooke QC) it's usually old drivers who aren't used to cyclists on the pavement, and would honk at you while staying in the middle of "their" lane (the right one) and passing within a hair of you. In their mind you shouldn't be left of the parked cars, but rather right of them, on the sidewalk. When I get a chance to catch them I like telling them that they're wrong, and to NEVER HONK AT A CYCLIST AGAIN (especially when the cyclist is 100% in his right).

Sherbrooke is extremely hilly, and my old 6.5 diesel can't help but emit black smoke when strained (it's normal and factory stock). It's happened already that I felt bad for cyclists I was passing if going up a steep hill while loaded... however, there's nothing they can do about it, even if they take a pic of my license and "report me". All perfectly legal
     
     
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Really? I find that very hard to believe.
Does AB have emissions testing? I believe ON does. That makes a big difference on the feasibility of modding a recent diesel truck to roll coal. Not sure but I think in Alberta there's no emissions testing...?
     
     
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Uhh...what? We got redneck dickwads in pickups here, no question, I live in a small enough city to see them around, but if someone tried "rolling coal" in Toronto they'd get set upon by bike messengers and the cops would be called by a hundred pedestrians.

I doubt they'd try it, because the last thing you want is to get caught in a traffic jam when you're supposed to be running away in a cloud of smoke, but there's simply no way that people in Toronto would laugh and ignore something like that.

Hell, even in a small place like Stratford many of us wouldn't put up with it. If traffic allowed for it I'd record it, get the license plate number and call the cops right away.
     
     
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