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Old Posted Jul 20, 2017, 6:09 AM
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1065,1066,1078 Harwood & 1332 Thurlow pre-application open house information



























Here's yet another proposal for the West End; the community plan has really lead to great things for this neighbourhood. These sibling projects are going for a more simple, smart, West End feel to balance out the nearby Burrard "wow" projects. I feel the project fits in well under the West End plan, though perhaps it provides too much parking. I imagine that, given what happened at the UDP with the Empire Hotel redevelopment, they may end up needing to shorten the distance between the social housing and market entrances doors.

The open house was surprisingly well attended, with 53 people having dropped in by closing time. One rumor flying at the open house in that Strand Development has bought a second property in the immediate area and will be redeveloping it. On a funny note, relatively early into the Open House a group of people showed up, raided the food table and abruptly left without even walking into the room where the open house boards were. Glad to see that other people from the forum managed to make it down I noticed bc2mb's post only after I posted, so make sure to check out that post to see photos of the renderings taken with something better than a cell phone.

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Old Posted Jul 20, 2017, 6:22 AM
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^ Thanks for those!

I love it. It has the subtle savour of west coast modernism that we were losing.
All the substance and thin lines make an intricate design that fits in with the surroundings. If only it wouldn't include spandrel.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2017, 7:19 AM
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^ Thanks for those!

I love it. It has the subtle savour of west coast modernism that we were losing.
All the substance and thin lines make an intricate design that fits in with the surroundings. If only it wouldn't include spandrel.

Just exactly what is 'spandrel?'


Now I know there are hundreds of you with spandrel complex . . . so, please, let's have lots of answers.

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Old Posted Jul 20, 2017, 8:21 AM
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When people on this forum talk about spandrel they are almost always talking about the parts of a glass building that don't have a window into a room. It is generally made from coloured panels that are covered with glass.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2017, 2:04 PM
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I noticed bc2mb's post only after I posted, so make sure to check out that post to see photos of the renderings taken with something better than a cell phone.
Too bad we didn't run into each other! Thanks for posting the inline photos. I would have done late last night but had a couple
I also noted the dine and dash attendees...
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2017, 8:56 PM
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Thanks for posting!

Those look like really deep balconies - big cantilevers (long term maintenance issue?)
The balconies should dominate the appearance and minimize the "ugliness" of the spandrel - like at Brentwood.

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When people on this forum talk about spandrel they are almost always talking about the parts of a glass building that don't have a window into a room. It is generally made from coloured panels that are covered with glass.
Note that the panels that most people find ugly aren't the ones covering the floor slab, they are the vertical ones that are floor to ceiling
- to hide interior columns or abutting walls or to reduce the amount of vision glass (and solar gain) to meet LEED requirements.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2017, 5:28 AM
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What a nice infill for this currently quite empty area. I hope we will see these both going forward soon.

Twin towers seems to be a trend coming back again. Same is happening in Toronto also.
     
     
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I made it as well, voiced my support.

I really liked the wood underpanels on the balconies, as well as the staggered planters up the towers.

The design could be more daring, but the details looked good. Not everything needs to be an attention grabber and if the materials on this are executed well it has a lot of promise.
     
     
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At some point the Westin sign at the corner of the Westin Grand was replaced by a "Hendrick's" sign - for the new restaurant inside.

Looks better than having so many Westin signs.

Pic by me today:

     
     
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1688 Davie Street (former London Drugs parking lot).



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The former Quality Inn Hotel - 1335 Howe St






Looks pretty well gutted now.



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Old Posted Jul 27, 2017, 10:07 PM
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Thought I'd redo my Google Map image of the current proposals for the West End's Thurlow and Harwood area developments. Blusesky (BOSA) sites outlined in blue, Strand/Intracorp sites outlined in yellow. Did anyone manage to attend the open house last night for the Strand/Intracorp proposal at 1080 Burnaby?


My two cents as a long time West End resident. For years it was nice & sleepy around here, rather pleasant. Now there is a sudden rush to develop thanks to the "West End Plan". I know there are many older structures that have seen better days but they are (were) affordable. Passed by 1540 Haro the other day:

Another "renoviction" by folks who believe only the cream of the crop, so to speak, ought to live in these prime areas:
"The best and the brightest [come] here so they're right in the absolute heart -- with recreation, the financial district, the creative community."
Not everyone makes it in the creative city. "It's tough, but that's just the way it is," says Gordon. "People keep moving here and in many cases people aren't going to survive."
https://thetyee.ca/News/2011/08/10/HighPriceCheapRent/
All this new development is removing many long time residents who, like me, can't afford to pay the $1500.-2000. a sq. ft. to purchase. My current rent isn't all that cheap but for the time being its doable. I currently have the pleasure of having a tower being built in front of me. With two more on the way. The noise/dust/parking issues are now nicely included in my rent. I had an amazing view, now it's going to folks who could afford the $4.5 million upper floors. ($1.4 million to "get in").
I guess most of you are not losers like me & are able to purchase these new affordable condos. Bravo. New is always sexy, I'm sure when the old Sheraton was built on Robson it was amazing. Give everything a few years & suddenly it's just not that exciting anymore. Especially when the moss starts to grow on some of these nice shiny towers (& the leaks begin). Meanwhile the traffic/parking/noise issues are only going to get worse. It's O.K. because many buyers will probably be spending much of their time overseas or will rent out to some foreign students/relatives for the time being. Sorry, had to vent as I feel I'm under attack these days. I'm not anti development, it just seems to be a massive cash grab. I just don't want to lose my 'hood & end up in Chilliwack but it may be the future. There will be two groups living downtown: the very wealthy & the very poor. Is there any room for the middle? Is it just me or is driving down Nelson just been a major PITA over the last 10 years due to all the construction. Now they are going to start on 1045 Nelson. Goodbye "ugly" viaducts I think I'm going to need a helicopter. Any beaches in Chilliwack?
     
     
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Not to take away from your venting, a lot of it is justified, but isn't the developer forced to replaced the low rent units at least on a 1 for 1 basis?

If that is the case I don't see a downside to this redevelopment, aside from the construction, which even the 5 million dollar unit owners have to deal with too.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2017, 10:30 PM
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Hopefully this will proceed...


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Former Granville 7 cinema complex set for renovation
Architects filed building permit earlier this month, expect development permit soon

By Glen Korstrom | July 27, 2017, 8:08 a.m.

Architects overseeing redevelopment at the former Empire Granville 7 cinema complex at 855 Granville Street are hoping that city staff approve permits in the coming weeks so work can start by the end of August.

Musson Cattell Mackey Partnership partner Bill Reid told Business in Vancouver July 26 that his company applied for a building permit for the site earlier this month.

BIV reported in January that the company had applied for a development permit.

News that a building permit has been filed is a clear indication that owner Terrma GP I Inc. is anxious to redevelop the site.

Reid estimated that the fee to file the building permit was in the $50,000 range. The project will also involve some development cost charges, although those are likely not substantial because the construction will be a renovation and not a new building.

“They have a couple tenants lined up,” Reid said. “I’m not at liberty to say who they are and I’m not sure that the absolute bottom line has been signed off on that.”
...
https://www.biv.com/article/2017/7/renovation-looms-former-granville-7-cinema-complex/
     
     
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Not to take away from your venting, a lot of it is justified, but isn't the developer forced to replaced the low rent units at least on a 1 for 1 basis?

If that is the case I don't see a downside to this redevelopment, aside from the construction, which even the 5 million dollar unit owners have to deal with too.
What qualifies as "low rent"? For example, if the existing building has 20 one bed units that rent for $900 a month, does the developer have to replace them with 20 similar new units at $900 a month?
     
     
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I believe so yes. They are city run low rent units.

This is what is being proposed at Bosa's site on Thurlow and Harwood.

What I don't know is if this is a OCP wide requirement or a site by site basis.
     
     
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Thought I'd redo my Google Map image of the current proposals for the West End's Thurlow and Harwood area developments. Blusesky (BOSA) sites outlined in blue, Strand/Intracorp sites outlined in yellow. Did anyone manage to attend the open house last night for the Strand/Intracorp proposal at 1080 Burnaby?

My two cents as a long time West End resident. For years it was nice & sleepy around here, rather pleasant. Now there is a sudden rush to develop thanks to the "West End Plan". I know there are many older structures that have seen better days but they are (were) affordable. Passed by 1540 Haro the other day:

Another "renoviction" by folks who believe only the cream of the crop, so to speak, ought to live in these prime areas:
"The best and the brightest [come] here so they're right in the absolute heart -- with recreation, the financial district, the creative community."
Not everyone makes it in the creative city. "It's tough, but that's just the way it is," says Gordon. "People keep moving here and in many cases people aren't going to survive."
https://thetyee.ca/News/2011/08/10/HighPriceCheapRent/
All this new development is removing many long time residents who, like me, can't afford to pay the $1500.-2000. a sq. ft. to purchase. My current rent isn't all that cheap but for the time being its doable. I currently have the pleasure of having a tower being built in front of me. With two more on the way. The noise/dust/parking issues are now nicely included in my rent. I had an amazing view, now it's going to folks who could afford the $4.5 million upper floors. ($1.4 million to "get in").
I guess most of you are not losers like me & are able to purchase these new affordable condos. Bravo. New is always sexy, I'm sure when the old Sheraton was built on Robson it was amazing. Give everything a few years & suddenly it's just not that exciting anymore. Especially when the moss starts to grow on some of these nice shiny towers (& the leaks begin). Meanwhile the traffic/parking/noise issues are only going to get worse. It's O.K. because many buyers will probably be spending much of their time overseas or will rent out to some foreign students/relatives for the time being. Sorry, had to vent as I feel I'm under attack these days. I'm not anti development, it just seems to be a massive cash grab. I just don't want to lose my 'hood & end up in Chilliwack but it may be the future. There will be two groups living downtown: the very wealthy & the very poor. Is there any room for the middle? Is it just me or is driving down Nelson just been a major PITA over the last 10 years due to all the construction. Now they are going to start on 1045 Nelson. Goodbye "ugly" viaducts I think I'm going to need a helicopter. Any beaches in Chilliwack?
You're definitely not a loser, anybody who suggests that is an a-hole. Many of us on the property ladder lucked into being in the right place at the right time.

The sad reality is that Vision Vancouver has unleashed a development monster in the West End that will do nothing for affordability. It will merely provide more units for the wealthy, many of them part-time offshore residents. The West End was a truly uniquely Canadian neighbourhood, people of almost all incomes could find accommodation close to downtown and the jewels of Vancouver, like Stanley park and the Seawall. That's being destroyed. Renters like your self are being squeezed at the top end and also at the bottom by foreign students (see here). It is shameful that every level of government has failed Canadians in your situation. The irony is that "Oh-So-Green-Gregor" is forcing many of the workers who need affordable housing most farther and farther out of the city.

Thanks for sharing your story, I'd like to think it makes some of the more rah-rah new highrise posters here consider the human cost of our insane real estate situation.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2017, 2:39 AM
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Thought I'd redo my Google Map image of the current proposals for the West End's Thurlow and Harwood area developments. Blusesky (BOSA) sites outlined in blue, Strand/Intracorp sites outlined in yellow. Did anyone manage to attend the open house last night for the Strand/Intracorp proposal at 1080 Burnaby?

My two cents as a long time West End resident. For years it was nice & sleepy around here, rather pleasant. Now there is a sudden rush to develop thanks to the "West End Plan". I know there are many older structures that have seen better days but they are (were) affordable. Passed by 1540 Haro the other day:

Another "renoviction" by folks who believe only the cream of the crop, so to speak, ought to live in these prime areas:
"The best and the brightest [come] here so they're right in the absolute heart -- with recreation, the financial district, the creative community."
Not everyone makes it in the creative city. "It's tough, but that's just the way it is," says Gordon. "People keep moving here and in many cases people aren't going to survive."
https://thetyee.ca/News/2011/08/10/HighPriceCheapRent/
All this new development is removing many long time residents who, like me, can't afford to pay the $1500.-2000. a sq. ft. to purchase. My current rent isn't all that cheap but for the time being its doable. I currently have the pleasure of having a tower being built in front of me. With two more on the way. The noise/dust/parking issues are now nicely included in my rent. I had an amazing view, now it's going to folks who could afford the $4.5 million upper floors. ($1.4 million to "get in").
I guess most of you are not losers like me & are able to purchase these new affordable condos. Bravo. New is always sexy, I'm sure when the old Sheraton was built on Robson it was amazing. Give everything a few years & suddenly it's just not that exciting anymore. Especially when the moss starts to grow on some of these nice shiny towers (& the leaks begin). Meanwhile the traffic/parking/noise issues are only going to get worse. It's O.K. because many buyers will probably be spending much of their time overseas or will rent out to some foreign students/relatives for the time being. Sorry, had to vent as I feel I'm under attack these days. I'm not anti development, it just seems to be a massive cash grab. I just don't want to lose my 'hood & end up in Chilliwack but it may be the future. There will be two groups living downtown: the very wealthy & the very poor. Is there any room for the middle? Is it just me or is driving down Nelson just been a major PITA over the last 10 years due to all the construction. Now they are going to start on 1045 Nelson. Goodbye "ugly" viaducts I think I'm going to need a helicopter. Any beaches in Chilliwack?
First, I want to say I don't think anyone on here views those being displaced as "losers," I certainly don't. In my own case, if not for a fortunate set of circumstances I would have very likely ended up living in shelters/on the street and suffering with a permanent disability. I understand the stress of the idea of being forced from somewhere you call home.

That said, there's nothing (baring natural disasters) that will reverse the trend that is sweeping the Downtown Core. People with political agendas will blame the level of government they're currently opposing (as already demonstrated here), but the reality is there's too many factors contributing to the housing affordability crisis to blame it on any one factor.

Could the civic parties have allowed more density/sped up the development process? Sure. Could the provincial and federal governments provided more funding for housing? Absolutely. Did the low interest rates needed to keep the rest of the economy running do serious damage? You betcha. Does the weather/scenery/global location/policies make Vancouver extremely attractive to those outside the city/province/country? Obviously. In short, the only way to really combat this crisis is to build more density, especially with a target for government/subsidized housing for the middle class.

I hope there's some comfort for you in that, unlike Burnaby, Vancouver has made housing for renters that are displaced a priority, as demonstrated by the First Baptist project.

I don't mean to be political, but there's also an opportunity to voice your complaints to City Council as well. Let them know your situation, and how your feel stressed out with your housing security situation. I personally feel the West End Policy has a lot of right things with it, including provisions for areas required to provide 20% of the units at below market rates. One shining light in the future is The Oakridge MTC Plan, which promises a chance for real housing solutions, with the only displacement being single family homes. That plan will need all the support it can get, as I imagine there will be a lot of established home owners screaming about more density in their paradise. You can either voice your opinions and make a difference on your own or, if you want, you can even get involved with a group like Abundant Housing Vancouver.

In the end, if you find you're driven all the way out to Chilliwack, make sure to send me a message, That community may have made massive changes, but I imagine that the beaches/sandbars I knew are still there. Oh, and please do share the open house notices you get with the forum. After all, I think there's many users on here not only concerned with building tall towers, but also with insuring that they go into healthy neighbourhoods.
     
     
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