Confederation Line West LRT Extension (Stage 2) [Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...se-2-1.4161782

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* Some conditions apply. Inner city residents LRT available at Place d'Orleans location only.

[zzptichka]

Our Crystal Beach NIMBYs are rallying up against not just LMSF but also LRT station in the neighbourhood. Bombarding NCC, City and councilors with letters and all that stuff. Amazing.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Our Crystal Beach NIMBYs are rallying up against not just LMSF but also LRT station in the neighbourhood. Bombarding NCC, City and councilors with letters and all that stuff. Amazing.

As with the Westboro chapter of NIMBY and the 2500-buses-a-day-no-way hysterical harpies, if the west end doesn't want close access to modern, higher-order transit service, then there's 100,000 or more people closer to the shadow of the Peace Tower who would gladly take it of their small-minded NIMBYist hands.

[hwy418]

Interesting that Gatineau politicians were there for the Feds funding announcement this morning.

Also, PMJT acknowledged collaboration between Ottawa and Gatineau to fully integrate the transit systems, etc... smells like something might be in the works for interprovincial transit.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by hwy418

Interesting that Gatineau politicians were there for the Feds funding announcement this morning.

Also, PMJT acknowledged collaboration between Ottawa and Gatineau to fully integrate the transit systems, etc... smells like something might be in the works for interprovincial transit.

I hope they notice that they are not playing the game so they get nothing, nothing, nothing.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I hope they notice that they are not playing the game so they get nothing, nothing, nothing.

I would not assume they are not playing the game.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Our Crystal Beach NIMBYs are rallying up against not just LMSF but also LRT station in the neighbourhood. Bombarding NCC, City and councilors with letters and all that stuff. Amazing.

I don't get it. The closest house will be over 300 m from the LMSF and with there being both trees and the Abbott Point of Care building in the way it won't be either a visual or noise problem.

As for the station, the nearest house will be over 350 m away and once again there will be both trees and a sound barrier in the way.

It is just People being afraid of change and the unknown and making much ado about nothing.

[lrt's friend]

Why would anybody want live near an LRT station? Sheesh

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Why would anybody want live near an LRT station? Sheesh

LOL. I know what you mean.

Seriously though, the Crystal Beach community has been pretty well isolated from that end of Corkstown Rd, so while they are reasonably close as the crow flies, getting to the station will be rather awkward for most.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by roger1818

LOL. I know what you mean.

Seriously though, the Crystal Beach community has been pretty well isolated from that end of Corkstown Rd, so while they are reasonably close as the crow flies, getting to the station will be rather awkward for most.

I drove by there today. Why would anybody complain about it? After all, right next to it is a major expressway, which I think is much more objectionable. Did those same people complain about highway widenings or when they built the 416 interchange? Some people need to get a grip.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I drove by there today. Why would anybody complain about it? After all, right next to it is a major expressway, which I think is much more objectionable. Did those same people complain about highway widenings or when they built the 416 interchange? Some people need to get a grip.

I agree and with the new noise barrier built for the bus lane, things will be even better.

My comment about the roads (or paths) was more to highlight that the station won't be particularly useful to most.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I agree and with the new noise barrier built for the bus lane, things will be even better.

My comment about the roads (or paths) was more to highlight that the station won't be particularly useful to most.

Ottawa is not terribly good at situation transit lines or stations where they are most useful to the people who use the system.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Ottawa is not terribly good at situation transit lines or stations where they are most useful to the people who use the system.

Agreed. In this case, Moodie will be almost exclusively a transfer station between the LRT and buses to DND, Bells Corners and Kanata. One issue though is they would have to move it further east to be more useful as a destination, but then it would be too close to Bayshore. Besides, even if they did, the population density isn't very large as it is all single family homes in this area and while you should never say never, I don't think it will likely change any time soon.

[zzptichka]

Ugh. Got this NIMBY BS in the mail today from CA. They are going to kill it, aren't they?

LRT to Moodie and the Train Storage Sheds
On June 13, the city held a public consultation on the LRT extension to Moodie Drive and its proposal to
also build a western Light Maintenance and Storage Facility on Moodie Drive between Abbott
Laboratories and the Crystal Bay Center for Special Education. The session was extremely well attended
by members of our community who kept the meeting going an extra hour with their intelligent and
focused questions. It was an excellent meeting which leaves the city and its consultants aware we do not
support their current recommendation for both the station and the storage facility to be placed on the
east side of Moodie Drive. It is urgent that the community now follow up massively with both the
consultants and with the NCC with our objections and our alternative recommendations for these
structures.

Why We Oppose the Current Sites
• Both the station and the storage sheds will lie within the watershed and wetlands areas of
Stillwater Creek and will irreparably harm the biophysical health of the Creek and its watershed
• The area to be torn apart is a healthy mixed growth forest filled with bird and wildlife, flora and
fauna which is an important contiguous part of the greenspace and greenbelt including Shirley’s
Bay the Carling Campus now occupied by DND, and Wesley Clover Park
• This area is also an important wildlife corridor for a wide variety of mammals and birds
• The Station will additionally require removal of mature trees immediately adjacent to Stillwater
Creek at Corkstown Road to create space for the “Kiss-and-Ride” drop-off site
• The station is the worst option for both pedestrians and cyclists as their path through the site
will be along the shoulder of Corkstown Rd. and over a bridge going over the tracks to the
storage sheds. This includes passengers walking to Wesley Clover Park
• Traffic on Corkstown Rd. through our community will increase considerably
• The current soccer pitch at Abbott Labs will be closed, or at best moved
• The 184 car storage sheds will be ugly with night-time noise and vibration and an 8-meter high
wall built between them and the community

Why a West-Side Station is Superior
• The Station footprint does not impact either on Stillwater Creek or any wetlands
• While the west station would impact the wildlife movement within the greenbelt, it is an open
area between Corkstown Rd. and the 417 not frequented in significant numbers
• There is no cutting of trees for the station and less cutting for a possible site for the storage
facility to the west
• Cyclists and pedestrians will not traverse the station complex but on its perimeter
• Pedestrians going to Wesley Clover will be in close proximity to it and with greater opportunity
to use transit year-round for all activities there, not just special events e.g. cross-country skiing
• “Kiss and Ride” drop off away from our community with greater connectivity to Bells Corners
• Much preferred site for 8500 DND staff for walking to work from station


Our Recommendation for the Maintenance Facility (LMSF)
We recommend that the facility be placed at “Option 3” on the southwest corner of Wesley Clover Park
east of the railway tracks. Alternately, that this facility be postponed until the completion of the
environmental assessment(EA) of the LRT extension to Kanata with search for a site within this EA. Both
of these options have been presented by the consultants as possibilities to consider.

What We Need You To Do
Now is your time to become fully engaged on this issue. No issue in recent memory has greater potential
to positively or negatively impact on the entire community. You need to look at the information and
express your views to all who can impact the decision-making: Councillor Mark Taylor, the NCC and the
consultants for Stage 2 LRT. All of their contacts are included again in this newsletter. Time is of the
essence. We all need to come together and act now. Please get involved.

Ian McConnachie
Chair, Transportation Committee
Crystal Beach Lakeview Community Association

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Ugh. Got this NIMBY BS in the mail today from CA. They are going to kill it, aren't they?

Lets hope they kill the Moodie extension. While it may be cheaper, a Bayshore terminus will be much better for the users.

Oh and you got to love this one:

• Pedestrians going to Wesley Clover will be in close proximity to it and with greater opportunity
to use transit year-round for all activities there, not just special events e.g. cross-country skiing

How many pedestrians go to Wesley Clover? Do many people carry the cross-country skis on transit? Should it really be a consideration for transit?

[Lakeofthewood]

I guess I'll just never understand the thought process of these people. You're going to be getting an LRT within a 5 minute bike ride/15 minute walk (give or take) of your front door. Your transit time to and from downtown in the peak hours (assuming you work somewhere on the way downtown) will improve significantly.

And you're demanding it be moved FURTHER away from your homes???? According to Google Maps times (started at the corner of Crystal Beach / Bedale), the walk to the current station location is 13 minutes. The walk to the station west of Moodie is 26 minutes!!!!

Truly unbelievable

[Lakeofthewood]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Lets hope they kill the Moodie extension. While it may be cheaper, a Bayshore terminus will be much better for the users.

Oh and you got to love this one:



How many pedestrians go to Wesley Clover? Do many people carry the cross-country skis on transit? Should it really be a consideration for transit?

Given that one of the Kanata councilors advocated for a Kanata LRT station in the Greenbelt to serve Wesley Clover, apparently people are now under the impression that it is now a thing...

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Lakeofthewood

I guess I'll just never understand the thought process of these people. You're going to be getting an LRT within a 5 minute bike ride/15 minute walk (give or take) of your front door. Your transit time to and from downtown in the peak hours (assuming you work somewhere on the way downtown) will improve significantly.

And you're demanding it be moved FURTHER away from your homes???? According to Google Maps times (started at the corner of Crystal Beach / Bedale), the walk to the current station location is 13 minutes. The walk to the station west of Moodie is 26 minutes!!!!

Truly unbelievable

This is probably a $100,000 difference in property values. 13 minutes makes it a super desirable suburb for downtown and other commuters. 26 minutes and it is irrelevant.

Probably nobody takes transit in the community now so they can't see the value. It is 52 minutes to Parliament by bus and 22 minutes by car. What's the LRT time from there? 30 minutes?

They make a good point about DND campus which would be great counter traffic on the LRT if convenient enough.

[1overcosc]

Thing is, as a place that will have to be served by bus connections anyway, it doesn't really matter for DND whether the station is east side or west side.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Thing is, as a place that will have to be served by bus connections anyway, it doesn't really matter for DND whether the station is east side or west side.

The sensible location for a station is right under the Moodie Drive overpass and create a direct walkway through the interchange to the Crystal Bay neighbourhood. This will provide the maximum benefits and no need to reroute buses into a special station, just run them directly down Moodie Drive. Why we need fare paid zones for buses at this location in the long-term is beyond me.