Confederation Line West LRT Extension (Stage 2) [Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[J.OT13]

I have trouble believing that we're only losing 3.5 million.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Here's full Moodie & LMSF presentation: http://e.groupspaces.com/click/7rbdp...s_2017June.pdf

Gotta say I hate that new bus terminal on the soccer field. I bet it will be quietly converted into Park&Ride once Kanata extension is built.

Bus loops. Urgh.

Can we come up with a way of meshing the LRT and bus systems in a way that don't involve those nauseating, swerving loops that aggressive bus operators are not properly trained to navigate?

Why is OC Transpo so averse to running buses in straight lines to the maximum extent possible?

[lrt's friend]

This is becoming increasingly typical of LRT station design in the suburbs. Place the station in a place that has no or little access to anything on foot other than a bus stop. Look at that station location. Not even close to Moodie Drive especially on foot.

[McC]

TTC has them, and I guess someone thinks they're the bee's knees. I learned Metro in Paris and MTL, so the necessity of fare-paid bus loops is lost on me.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by McC

TTC has them, and I guess someone thinks they're the bee's knees. I learned Metro in Paris and MTL, so the necessity of fare-paid bus loops is lost on me.

After having ridden around in Toronto, you start to appreciate the fare-paid bus transfers.. they really do make train-bus transfers much easier. The fact that transferring (both train-train and train-bus) is relatively painless in Toronto is certainly something noteworthy.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

This is becoming increasingly typical of LRT station design in the suburbs. Place the station in a place that has no or little access to anything on foot other than a bus stop. Look at that station location. Not even close to Moodie Drive especially on foot.

Yet another symptom of car people designing transit.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by McC

TTC has them, and I guess someone thinks they're the bee's knees. I learned Metro in Paris and MTL, so the necessity of fare-paid bus loops is lost on me.

I love the idea of fare-paid bus ZONES.

But why do they have to be those nauseating LOOPS?

[Dado]

Baah! We just keep on designing BRT facilities that are not readily convertible to LRT. Worse still, this one was all-too-predictable. I'm pretty sure I went to a meeting of some kind and urged that it not be built at all since it would just be converted in short order anyway.

On a related note, why are they building side-loaded platform stations in the middle of nowhere? Middle of nowhere stations are bad enough as such anyway, but side-loaded are worse still as it means that at non-peak times there may be very few people on a given platform. And this one is supposed to be a temporary terminus, the kind of station that Calgary always designs as an island platform.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Dado

Baah! We just keep on designing BRT facilities that are not readily convertible to LRT. Worse still, this one was all-too-predictable. I'm pretty sure I went to a meeting of some kind and urged that it not be built at all since it would just be converted in short order anyway.

On a related note, why are they building side-loaded platform stations in the middle of nowhere? Middle of nowhere stations are bad enough as such anyway, but side-loaded are worse still as it means that at non-peak times there may be very few people on a given platform. And this one is supposed to be a temporary terminus, the kind of station that Calgary always designs as an island platform.

Another reason for my complaint about the location. This is a temporary terminus. The station location is not ideal for when LRT is extended to Kanata. I guess we will be paying to relocate it. The reason for a side platform? No need to build a pedestrian overpass if it is a side platform.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

What makes the least sense about this design is that it appears the only way for buses to access the bus loop is via Corkstown Rd.

As part of the Moodie BRT project they are building ramps from Moodie Dr onto the Transitway to allow for east access for buses to/from the west. Why would they not re-use these to access the new bus loop? Dumb. They are forcing buses coming in from Kanata or heading west to take a much longer route.

It seems like they could re-design the bus loop to incorporate these ramps pretty easily by shifting the LRT station a bit to the east.

[SkeggsEggs]

Seeing the plan for the station really makes me hope that there will still be buses from Kanata to Bayshore. This will be a miserable place to wait for a bus! Don't expect the city to give people the option for a direct ride to Bayshore though.

[1overcosc]

I feel like the major "mainline" routes (61, 62, 63, 64) will continue to Bayshore but all the locals and peak period routes will terminate at Moodie.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

They are forcing buses coming in from Kanata or heading west to take a much longer route.

Longer, winding, and nauseating.

These people don't use transit.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Here's full Moodie & LMSF presentation: http://e.groupspaces.com/click/7rbdp...s_2017June.pdf

Gotta say I hate that new bus terminal on the soccer field. I bet it will be quietly converted into Park&Ride once Kanata extension is built.

Agreed. And it looks like they are managing to take out not one, but both soccer fields.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

I feel like the major "mainline" routes (61, 62, 63, 64) will continue to Bayshore but all the locals and peak period routes will terminate at Moodie.

Sorry but this is bunk. It is even more important that the locals have a major transit destination as a terminus if you want to promote ridership. Bayshore is 'the major' shopping area for the west end of the city. Making people transfer for one stop means that many will no longer consider transit to go to Bayshore. From my personal experience, when our local bus stopped going to Billings Bridge, I stopped using transit for almost all trips to Billings Bridge. It doesn't matter about timed transfers. You still have to start calculating time backwards from the terminus and allow extra time to make sure it all works and you don't end up waiting for half an hour. It is so much more easy knowing that my bus departs from Bayshore on the hour and half hour or whatever it may be rather making time allowances for the extra transfer.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

What makes the least sense about this design is that it appears the only way for buses to access the bus loop is via Corkstown Rd.

As part of the Moodie BRT project they are building ramps from Moodie Dr onto the Transitway to allow for east access for buses to/from the west. Why would they not re-use these to access the new bus loop? Dumb. They are forcing buses coming in from Kanata or heading west to take a much longer route.

It seems like they could re-design the bus loop to incorporate these ramps pretty easily by shifting the LRT station a bit to the east.

The issue here is the location of the maintenance yard. Track to the maintenance yard will continue beyond Moodie Station. The bus ramps as planned will have to cross that track and Corkstown Road will also. So rather than two grade separations, they choose one, the regular road. It is a matter of economics. Buses and bus riders are the losers. So much for seamless and efficient transfers.

[zzptichka]

Has anyone attended last night open house?
They were supposed to show final plans for the station and LMSF.
I couldn't make it and there is nothing on the city website obviously.

[waterloowarrior]

http://www.stage2lrt.ca/resources/

Bayshore to Moodie Public Consultation – Presentation and boards – June 13, 2017
http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/u...70613-Pres.pdf

[Uhuniau]

From slide 18:

Less impact on views and vistas/lower visibility for “capital arrivals”

So we want to protect drivers from the "impact" of having to see a — HORROR — transit station as they drive on the 96-lane Queensway to and from Ottawa?

What a crock.

[p_xavier]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...se-2-1.4161782

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