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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 8:19 PM
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Far right. (assuming you are not toying with us and they are all the same, just different reflection)
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 8:23 PM
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Just bumping this to the same page

And no this is not some sort of trickery, they are all very different pieces of glass with different properties.

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OK since everyone is a design expert on this site, I'd like your input. Which glass do you think would be most appropriate on the Canaccord Tower (609 Granville) Re-clad?

Left, Centre Left, Centre Right, or Right



Also, I took the liberty of re-naming the thread to contain all the updates to CF Pacific Centre, since there should be a fair amount of work upcoming.
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 8:31 PM
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Ah thank you! Yeah either far right or centre left. (from what I can tell on my computer screen anyway)

Do you have a pic of each description sticker? I'm curious what the different properties of the glass panels are.
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 8:40 PM
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Wow such drastic differences. Lol. Right or centre right
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Right or centre right
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 8:49 PM
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OK since everyone is a design expert on this site, I'd like your input. Which glass do you think would be most appropriate on the Canaccord Tower (609 Granville) Re-clad?

Left, Centre Left, Centre Right, or Right

COOL!
Tough decision, of course.

My comments as follows:

Left: Greenish more than the bluish green used on the Nordstrom. Very similar to Centre Left - maybe a tad darker.
Centre Left: Lighter version of the Left one (?)
Centre Right: Seems smokey gray rather than blueish. Similar to Hotel Georgia tower (?)
Right: Darker version of Centre Right.
None seem mirrored.

The Canaccord Tower is connected to the centre block of Pacific Centre, which is now clad with spandrel which is more bluish than greenish as shown below.
The 701 West Georgia Tower on the same block is in dark black-brown mullions and warmish brown tinted glass (assuming those remain in future?).

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The north block of the complex across the street with 777 Dunsmuir and Holt Renfrew is already a dog's breakfast,
so trying to coordinate with that would seem hopeless.

The tower is also across the street from The Hudson condo, which, I think, has the standard (?) greenish-blue tint on its glass.



So the question, in my view, is which coordinates better with the surrounding parts of the complex and differentiates itself from its towering neighbours.

The greenish panels would coordinate better with the browns of the older 700 and 701 West Georgia towers,
but I would generally ignore them since the current renos have already ignored them and they may be reclad in future.

I would favour the smokey gray tints - in particular, the Right panel for the following reasons:
- recent retail renos have used cooler bluish tints and smokey gray still coordinates with that but is distinct from the retail part.
- the cooler grays would differentiate it from the residential Hudson condo across the street.
- the cooler grays are more "corporate".
- the darker tint would provide a more uniform appearance to the tower when window coverings are open and closed across the façade.
- though a different hue (warm vs cool), the darker tint would be more cohesive as a "complex" with the dark [though warm] hues of the 700 and 701 West Georgia towers.

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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 10:02 PM
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Great analysis OD, really touched on some important contextual cues.

Id I didn't know any better I'd think you may have had some architectural training.

Seems like at this point the smokey/blue hues are winning over the clearer/greener hues.

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Wow such drastic differences. Lol. Right or centre right
Well at this point the tower has a conceptual design approved so it's not like a major change is possible here, the materials selection is the nitty gritty stage that can really form up a design.

What drastic difference would you have liked to have seen? This is just out of curiosity, it's too late to move too much further away from the design intent at this point.
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 10:05 PM
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Do you have a pic of each description sticker? I'm curious what the different properties of the glass panels are.
I didn't post that because I'm not too sure the manufacturer want's their specs plastered all over the internet. Needless to say the U values, visible light transmission levels, etc... all vary pretty substantially.
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 10:08 PM
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I prefer the rightmost option, only because I prefer smokey blue over green.
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 11:00 PM
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Double or triple glazing? Presuming the former.
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 11:11 PM
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Double, the glazing unit is working within the frame of the old system so there was no room for a triple pane system.

Truth be told triple pane is more or less overkill in Vancouver, our climate just isn't extreme enough one way or another to really see the results.
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 11:40 PM
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Would it be possible to see a cost per sq ft of each sample? Thanks.
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Great analysis OD, really touched on some important contextual cues.

Id I didn't know any better I'd think you may have had some architectural training.
Nope - biochemist -> lawyer (including some commercial leasing work)
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2017, 11:04 PM
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From Granville twitter toady.

Should be opening soon - all the partitions have been removed on the inside (when you take the escalator up from the mall).


https://twitter.com/GranvilleStreet

Too bad they didn't quite match the spandrel correctly.
... and they cheaped out on the glass to the left of the new entrance
- the old panels were bigger panes of glass (i.e. compare to the panes to the left of the emergency exits)


https://twitter.com/GranvilleStreet

... but originally the lower half of that strip of spandrel was a TD Tower sign:

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...

Found a pic - there was an alcove there - with plaza stairs down to the building!
Sure looked like an interesting space back then...


http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/pacific-centre-701-granville-street
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2017, 11:59 PM
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Wow they really didn't get the spandrel right! And why is the glass clear to the left of the fire exit doors? Especially top top portion whee you stare in at a piece of drywall bulk head
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i like the original better.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2017, 9:42 PM
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The new entrance is now open.
It's very bright inside - makes the TD Tower lobby feel dingy.
The staircase is wider than before.

The former Fido space has [temporary?] sofas and tables.
There's a lack of greenery, compared to before.

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Wow they really didn't get the spandrel right! And why is the glass clear to the left of the fire exit doors? Especially top top portion whee you stare in at a piece of drywall bulk head
Part of the TD bank renovations - to "open up" the space so passersy can look in.
The retail part of the bank facing Howe St. stuck wraps on the glass so occupants / workers wouldn't be too exposed.
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The retail part of the bank facing Howe St. stuck wraps on the glass so occupants / workers wouldn't be too exposed.
Those green wraps look just awful.
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Would it be possible to see a cost per sq ft of each sample? Thanks.
Certainly not.

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The former Fido space has [temporary?] sofas and tables.
There's a lack of greenery, compared to before.
There's still a lot of work to do on the inside...

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Part of the TD bank renovations - to "open up" the space so passersy can look in.
Yep, the tinted glass on the ground level was awful and totally shut the building out from the surroundings, especially on the Howe side.
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