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[hwy418]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Thanks for the link to the plan. I have been looking for that for a while.

The work that has been done so far will likely remain BRT until the Kanata extension (depending on the final plan chosen for the Moodie LRT extension). Given that the BRT extension won't be complete for a couple more years, I wonder if it would make sense to modify the project and prep the ground east of the station for rails rather than pave it for buses and for not focus on the BRT underpasses.

The BRT to Moodie is scheduled to be substantially completed by the end of 2017 so the City will get a few years of use.

[hwy418]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Current status of the Moddie BRT(soon to be LRT) extension.
(recommended plan for reference: http://mmmgrouplimited.com/wp-content/up...PAP1_credit_CSW-Landscape-Architects.jpg

Cool pic!

The picture shown by clicking the link is the approved Recommended Plan if BRT was to extend to Kanata, but now that LRT seems to be in the picture I don't think it will be built like that plan.

What is under construction now is an interim station and relocated (and widened) Highway 417 E-N/S ramp structure.

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by hwy418

Cool pic!

The picture shown by clicking the link is the approved Recommended Plan if BRT was to extend to Kanata, but now that LRT seems to be in the picture I don't think it will be built like that plan.

What is under construction now is an interim station and relocated (and widened) Highway 417 E-N/S ramp structure.

I believe the BRT structures and station will be built as shown in those plans, simply because it had been tendered and construction had started before LRT extension was even announced.

LRT station location and LMSF plans are not finalized yet.
Apparently local community doesn't like the idea of LMSF and BRT/LRT interchange East of Moodie, so I bet in 5 years Moodie LRT station will be built further West somewhere in the fields.

[hwy418]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

I believe the BRT structures and station will be built as shown in those plans, simply because it had been tendered and construction had started before LRT extension was even announced.

LRT station location and LMSF plans are not finalized yet.
Apparently local community doesn't like the idea of LMSF and BRT/LRT interchange East of Moodie, so I bet in 5 years Moodie LRT station will be built further West somewhere in the fields.

I was involved on the project from late 2008 up to last summer and I worked on the current design plans - the full recommended plan as shown in the linked image is NOT what is under construction.

The Transitway will essentially end at a simplified at-grade station with access to Corkstown Road and an access road for WB buses to get onto the relocated E-N/S ramp. The new ramp will be 3 lanes wide to accommodate the buses and will connect to a new intersection at Moodie.

There was an open house in June 2015 to show the revised plan but I can't seem to find it now... perhaps the POH boards have been taken down.

[rocketphish]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

I believe the BRT structures and station will be built as shown in those plans, simply because it had been tendered and construction had started before LRT extension was even announced.

LRT station location and LMSF plans are not finalized yet.
Apparently local community doesn't like the idea of LMSF and BRT/LRT interchange East of Moodie, so I bet in 5 years Moodie LRT station will be built further West somewhere in the fields.

Of course they don't! And their views should be listened to and considered in the overall plan for what is best for the City as a whole.

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by hwy418

I was involved on the project from late 2008 up to last summer and I worked on the current design plans - the full recommended plan as shown in the linked image is NOT what is under construction.

The Transitway will essentially end at a simplified at-grade station with access to Corkstown Road and an access road for WB buses to get onto the relocated E-N/S ramp. The new ramp will be 3 lanes wide to accommodate the buses and will connect to a new intersection at Moodie.

There was an open house in June 2015 to show the revised plan but I can't seem to find it now... perhaps the POH boards have been taken down.

Yes, you are right.
Dug out pictures from that open house on my phone:
http://i.imgur.com/5JktdEZ.jpg

[hwy418]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Yes, you are right.
Dug out pictures from that open house on my phone:
http://i.imgur.com/5JktdEZ.jpg

Cool that's the image I was looking for!

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Except the previous use was a commercial condominium and the only possible way a commercial condominium would be changed it a heavier industrial use is if the city expropriated all of the units and turned it over to a heavy industrial user. I'm not sure a reasonable person could be expected to predict that.

Are they going to be manufacturing lead paint in the railyard?

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I don't know. Somebody that bought a house in say 2010 would have bought a house that faced a railway track that had a half-dozen slow moving (either exiting or entering the station) via trains and on the far side they would have had a commercial condo.

I'm not sure they could have reasonably expected that the city would expropriate all the units in the commercial condo, build a rail yard, offer a berm as a mitigation measure, and then tear down the mitigation measure because it was convenient to do so. To me the homeowners should be bought out.

Or the city could monitor noise levels, which will almost certainly prove the pre-emptive complaints to be baseless.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by hwy418

Cool pic!

The picture shown by clicking the link is the approved Recommended Plan if BRT was to extend to Kanata, but now that LRT seems to be in the picture I don't think it will be built like that plan.

What is under construction now is an interim station and relocated (and widened) Highway 417 E-N/S ramp structure.

Awesome.

Meanwhile, capital spending on improving the suckificacious transit service within the urban core? $0.00 this year, $0.00 next year, $0.00 2019, $0.00 2020, and $0.00 in 2021.

Must be nice to have your neighbourhood get a higher-order transit build-out not just once, but twice in the span of a decade.

[PHrenetic]

Good Day....
new document up on www.stage2lrt.ca titled : Queensway Terrace North Public Consultation – Presentation – May 27, 2017

http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/uploa...NorthPresentation_20170527_CW_ED_JTM.pdf

a presentation and detailing of the Lincoln Fields south area - station, Bayshore/Baseline split and flyover, Woodroffe HighSchool bridge, and Connaught tunnel through to Queensview station.

EnJoy!

[eltodesukane]

Why in such pdf document all images are fuzzy blurry jpeg?
My teacher would give me poor marks for such a presentation.

[Buggys]

Probably to keep to a manageable file size.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Buggys

Probably to keep to a manageable file size.

If so, that's a copout to explain away incompetence.

City of Ottawa staff reading this: fix your crappy PDF problem.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Buggys

Probably to keep to a manageable file size.

But for drawings, jpeg is has the worst compression, unless you compress it to death. Even then it will never catch up to a vector format (but few know how to use those) without making it look like Minecraft.

[zzptichka]

Those presentations are made to be shown at open houses on a projector, not for the web.

Why they don't have a policy to make presentations that would look good on the city website as well is another questions.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Those presentations are made to be shown at open houses on a projector, not for the web.

Why they don't have a policy to make presentations that would look good on the city website as well is another questions.

Because City Hall is infested, top to bottom, with people paranoid that the public might use public information.

[J.OT13]

Everyone saw the lrt extension to Moodie coming, so why did they waste time and money on it. And why are they still building it if they're just going to convert it months after opening!?

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Everyone saw the lrt extension to Moodie coming, so why did they waste time and money on it. And why are they still building it if they're just going to convert it months after opening!?

BRT will operate 2017-2020. Throwaway costs 3.5M.

Someone from Crystal Beach CA went to public advisory meeting ahead of next week public consulatation and here are their notes:

Summary
 Decision has been made to locate the station east of Moodie where the new BRT station is going
 Light maintenance and storage facility to be located east of Moodie as well (beside Abbott Labs)
 Corkstown Road will be routed north thru the middle of the soccer field to provide room for bus
lay-bys
 Abbott labs entrance off Moodie to be re-routed east of LMSF to a new entrance on Moodie
(beside the school)
 Assurance given by the BRT folks that a sidewalk will be constructed between Crystal Beach Rd
and the transit station
 Next (and last) public open House on June 13th at Michelle Heights community center
 They are recommending against having a park and ride at the Moodie station (as no space)
 They are investigating the possibility of having a “gold level park and ride that would utilize
unused parking spots at Abbott labs.

Details:
LRT extension to Moodie is being implemented thru a new TPAP (a transit Environmental assessment).
Expansion of Bayshore station (in case LRT does not get extended to Moodie) going ahead as an
addendum – classified as an insignificant change so no processes involved. Favourable lease
arrangements for land needed.
Throw away costs from BRT estimated at $3.5 M
BRT will be operational from 2017 to 2020
LRT to Moodie is now considered as affordable (LMSG as well)

New station at Moodie
Will re-use a lot of BRT station
 9 bus bays+DND shuttle
 14 bus lay by spaces
 11 kiss and ride spots
 Drivers washroom
 90 meter platform
 2 buildings for electrical feed tor LRT and LMSF
 elevator
 Connected with sidewalk to Cyrstal Beach Dr
One of the reasons this location was chosen is the number of homes with 600 meter radius as a bird
flies. Unfortunately they do not care that the walking distance is a lot further.
Corkstown Rd will be moved quite a bit further north. The crossing over Stillwater Creek should remain
as is. Bus lay-bys will be south of the newly located Corkstown Road. Soccer field is toast with this road
re-location and the LMSF tracks going thru it. Concerns raised about mixing buses with all the bike
traffic were ignored.

LMSF
Light maintenance only, some train parking spots in buildings, some with roof covers only
This location loved as not visible to folks arriving in Ottawa on 417
Costs of other locations
 Location north of Corkstown and west of Moodie extra $14M
 Location south of 417 and west of Moodie extra $48M
Entrance to Abbott labs being moved to be beside the school (and will loop around the back of the
LMSF). Traffic entrance to LMSF also at back.
Noise walls planned
 6 meters high on north side and 8 meters on east side.
Initial phase small footprint, final phase will have a loop around track and be a lot larger.
Initially needed for 34 vehicles (17 2 car trains)
Eventually (2048) need to handle 94 vehicles due to LRT extension to Kanata
When LMSF is fully developed, the 8 M wall will be about 125 meters from nearest housing. Not sure if
noise walls are part of initial plan.
Access thru soccer field on front of Abbott labs. Corkstown Rd will cross on a bridge. Tracks will be
recessed about 1 meter. I pointed out that this is a flood plain but Charles Wheeler brushed this off
(once again!). Bike paths all need re-doing.

Holly Acres Crossing
 Same as outlined in 2012 BRT EPR except bridge a bit narrower
 No plans to rebuild the berm or re-dig the ditch between on ramp and BRT
 Berm cut away- at present more than needed due to access for construction. Will be filled back
into to BRT approved profile.
Processes – very fast tracked
 Next open house June 13 at Michelle Heights. This is the last of the planned open houses
 Request for tender going out in July (this year!)
 Going to council in September
 TPAP to be finished by end of 2017. Notice of commencement planned for this September
 Taylor advised on this plan this morning
 Meeting with Abbot labs to procure property
 NCC consulted not any permission yet

General Comments
When Charles Wheeler was challenged he was emphatic that the Moodie Dr bridge pedestrian/cyclist
improvements are NOT part of this project.
Suspect our only hope to change this is thru the NCC. The city budget does not allow for the bridges
under Moodie Dr to place either the station or LMSF west of Moodie.
No assurances that out of service buses would not use Corkstown Rd to get back to the depot
Concerns I raised about kiss&drop drivers continuing east on Corkstown Rd were dismissed without any
rationale.
Meeting location: I mentioned that a lot of our residents are not comfortable going to Michelle Heights.
Charles said that maybe they could get an OC bus to take people from Maki House to the meeting.
Maki House is too small. NSC and schools were not available on desired date. They want to get the
meeting dome before summer breaks.

[zzptichka]

Here's full Moodie & LMSF presentation: http://e.groupspaces.com/click/7rbdp-dj7...mYwv8CXRKygG54EV%2FPAC_Pres_2017June.pdf

Gotta say I hate that new bus terminal on the soccer field. I bet it will be quietly converted into Park&Ride once Kanata extension is built.