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Uhuniau · #**4661** Posted **Jun 7, 2017, 2:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Interesting that there will be better shelters for the short wait for getting on the train than the longer waits for transfers to buses at the same stations.

If only the planners and architects ever saw the inside of a bus, or, if they can find one, a bus shelter.

Uhuniau · #**4662** Posted **Jun 7, 2017, 2:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by bradnixon

Maybe the criticism is jumping the gun a little bit?

Nope.

We were promised better shelter than the crap we are getting. Instead, we'll get the worst of all worlds: mediocre protection from both summer and winter weather extremes.

Uhuniau · #**4663** Posted **Jun 7, 2017, 2:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

I don't mind the cold thing as it requires people to dress and be prepared for the weather.

And then board a bus with the heat blasting because the driver is underdressed for same said weather.

Uhuniau · #**4664** Posted **Jun 7, 2017, 2:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by eltodesukane

Typical for Ottawa.
Of course, the 1%, the elites, the administrators, the decision-makers are not the ones waiting for the bus.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.430187,-7...s4lguDwPQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&hl=en
Bus shelter on Rideau Street (http://spacing.ca/ottawa/2014/08/29/image-moment-meanest-bus-shelter-town/)

Those shitteous glass-roofed things, which provide no relief from the sun during hot and humid weather, are now the "preferred" design, whenever the city deigns to provide shelter on bus routes at all.

For this, you can once again thank people who drive to and from the place of work where they make these stupid decisions.

a very long weekend · #**4665** Posted **Jun 11, 2017, 10:34 PM**

can i ask - is the subway projected to be open by june 2018? i'll be visiting montreal, and i'd definitely take the trip over to ottawa to ride it.

lrt's friend · #**4666** Posted **Jun 11, 2017, 10:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by a very long weekend

can i ask - is the subway projected to be open by june 2018? i'll be visiting montreal, and i'd definitely take the trip over to ottawa to ride it.

I believe that they are turning the Confederation Line over to the city by the end of May next year for final testing and training. The opening date has not yet been announced.

lrt's friend · #**4667** Posted **Jun 12, 2017, 3:58 AM**

I wish to congratulate Brad Nixon for having his letter published in the Ottawa Citizen yesterday.

Randall Denley has had a reputation of being an obstructionist on LRT and was one of those who encouraged the cancellation of the 2006 plans (after the contract was signed) that set the city back almost 10 years. As we are seeing, we will not recover the good portions of that plan probably anytime in my lifetime. Any opportunity permanently lost.

YOWetal · #**4668** Posted **Jun 12, 2017, 12:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I wish to congratulate Brad Nixon for having his letter published in the Ottawa Citizen yesterday.

Randall Denley has had a reputation of being an obstructionist on LRT and was one of those who encouraged the cancellation of the 2006 plans (after the contract was signed) that set the city back almost 10 years. As we are seeing, we will not recover the good portions of that plan probably anytime in my lifetime. Any opportunity permanently lost.

Yeah it was a gambit. If not for disastrous leadership he would likely be a high-level cabinet minister in a PC government.

I wasn't a fan of the plan but it is crazy to cancel once the contracts are signed.

TransitZilla · #**4669** Posted **Jun 12, 2017, 2:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I wish to congratulate Brad Nixon for having his letter published in the Ottawa Citizen yesterday.

Thanks for pointing this out! I hadn't even realized that they did publish it.

eltodesukane · #**4670** Posted **Jun 12, 2017, 3:34 PM**

[QUOTE=lrt's friend;7831640]I wish to congratulate Brad Nixon for having his letter published in the Ottawa Citizen yesterday.[\QUOTE]
Any link to that letter?

kevinbottawa · #**4671** Posted **Jun 12, 2017, 3:37 PM**

[QUOTE=eltodesukane;7831987][QUOTE=lrt's friend;7831640]I wish to congratulate Brad Nixon for having his letter published in the Ottawa Citizen yesterday.

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Any link to that letter?

http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/letters...best-memorialize-the-afghanistan-mission

Uhuniau · #**4672** Posted **Jun 12, 2017, 3:44 PM**

And it shares a page with a whiny NIMBYist screed against a perfectly sensible redevelopment proposal in Old Ottawa South:

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Residents oppose church re-development
Re: Old Ottawa South church plans condos by Rideau Canal, June 5.

David Reevely’s article about Southminster Church Redevelopment unfortunately does not mention the strong objections local residents have to the current height of the proposal.

The proposal looks beautiful, but, unfortunately, is not compatible with surrounding R3Q and Heritage Overlay zoning. Local residents are also looking at Windmill’s Condominium as a place to move to when the family home becomes too much.

Unfortunately, the current projected $1-million to $2.5-million price range is unaffordable.

In response to these concerns, a group of local residents have now formed Development Watch Southminster in the hope of mediating with Windmill and the city planner to find a solution that would benefit not only our local community, but also our beloved Southminster Church.

Anna Cuylits, Ottawa

lrt's friend · #**4673** Posted **Jun 12, 2017, 5:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Uhuniau

And it shares a page with a whiny NIMBYist screed against a perfectly sensible redevelopment proposal in Old Ottawa South:

This is a complicated issue. Apparently there is a bit of a stunt going on to work around zoning rules, like a couple of feet of Bank Street frontage to permit the higher density behind the church. On the other hand, churches are increasingly having problems maintaining their buildings. We are going to be facing the reality that most of this amazing architecture will cease to exist or be re-purposed, which will dramatically change at least the interior appearance of these buildings.

YOWetal · #**4674** Posted **Jun 12, 2017, 6:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

This is a complicated issue. Apparently there is a bit of a stunt going on to work around zoning rules, like a couple of feet of Bank Street frontage to permit the higher density behind the church. On the other hand, churches are increasingly having problems maintaining their buildings. We are going to be facing the reality that most of this amazing architecture will cease to exist or be re-purposed, which will dramatically change at least the interior appearance of these buildings.

Most of these churches have very little value on an individual level. There are literally thousands of nearly identical churches across Canada. The St. Charles development will look a bit out of place IMHO. Good concept for central Stockholm but not so much for nearly suburban Ottawa.

Uhuniau · #**4675** Posted **Jun 13, 2017, 3:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

This is a complicated issue. Apparently there is a bit of a stunt going on to work around zoning rules, like a couple of feet of Bank Street frontage to permit the higher density behind the church. On the other hand, churches are increasingly having problems maintaining their buildings. We are going to be facing the reality that most of this amazing architecture will cease to exist or be re-purposed, which will dramatically change at least the interior appearance of these buildings.

Yip, which is why I am pretty easy-going when it comes to churches wanting to repurpose their properties, especially in older neighbourhoods.

I have zero sympathy for the OOS NIMBY Committee on this one.

Uhuniau · #**4676** Posted **Jun 13, 2017, 3:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by YOWetal

Most of these churches have very little value on an individual level. There are literally thousands of nearly identical churches across Canada. The St. Charles development will look a bit out of place IMHO. Good concept for central Stockholm but not so much for nearly suburban Ottawa.

The St. Charles development will be a nice little additional piece of the puzzle in turning Beechwood (back) into an urban main street.

DarthVader_1961 · #**4677** Posted **Jun 13, 2017, 11:24 PM**

This article has the interesting part at the end.... Westin hotel drops its law suit

http://www.ottawasun.com/2017/06/12/lrt-subcontractor-says-its-been-stiffed-for-15m

Truenorth00 · #**4678** Posted **Jun 14, 2017, 2:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I wish to congratulate Brad Nixon for having his letter published in the Ottawa Citizen yesterday.

Randall Denley has had a reputation of being an obstructionist on LRT and was one of those who encouraged the cancellation of the 2006 plans (after the contract was signed) that set the city back almost 10 years. As we are seeing, we will not recover the good portions of that plan probably anytime in my lifetime. Any opportunity permanently lost.

I maybe rare on here. But I supported the cancellation. And I think the Confed Line is far better. The old plan wouldn't have done much to relieve the core. Would have had less ridership. And with no tunnel, would have been a long term disaster.

I don't get the mentality, "Well something would have gotten built." That plan would have seriously screwed up further transit development down the road. Especially in the core.

lrt's friend · #**4679** Posted **Jun 14, 2017, 2:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I maybe rare on here. But I supported the cancellation. And I think the Confed Line is far better. The old plan wouldn't have done much to relieve the core. Would have had less ridership. And with no tunnel, would have been a long term disaster.

I don't get the mentality, "Well something would have gotten built." That plan would have seriously screwed up further transit development down the road. Especially in the core.

We lost 10 years and $100M and growing. Our alternative for the south end of the city is third rate. You are assuming that the original plan would have been the end. It was always considered to be a starting point. An east-west line would have been built more or less on the same schedule as we are building today. A downtown tunnel would have been inevitable. The original project would have proven its need. At least the south route would have been connected to downtown, which will never happen the way we are going and lower ridership is inevitable.

We did not need to choose between north-south and east-west. We could have had both. As it stands, the north-south route is simply a student train and it will remain that way.

Norman Bates · #**4680** Posted **Jun 14, 2017, 1:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I maybe rare on here. But I supported the cancellation. And I think the Confed Line is far better. The old plan wouldn't have done much to relieve the core. Would have had less ridership. And with no tunnel, would have been a long term disaster.

I don't get the mentality, "Well something would have gotten built." That plan would have seriously screwed up further transit development down the road. Especially in the core.

For the benefit of those who don't remember the original - lost - plan, can someone provide a thumbnail sketch of it?