Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[Beedok]

With overhead wires rather than a third rail system hopefully the Confederation Line has a somewhat lower jumping on the rails rate? (I mean, I suppose some people in Toronto are going for the train impact, but I feel sure that some/most go for the electrification?)

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

In Toronto I was on the subway quite a few times when it was shutdown causing people to have to take buses instead. Bomb threats, people jumping onto the tracks in front of trains, etc. Doesn't hurt to be prepared.

Toronto also has an unusually high number of shutdowns due to mechanical failures compared to other cities, due to decades of under-investment in maintenance. I think the Line 1 and Line 2 trains in Toronto meet 98% or so of planned trips, compared to the industry standard of >99.5%.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Looking for info on frequencies on the new line. Anyone have any?

Here's a chart that someone posted to reddit a while back. The chart is old (from a public meeting years ago) but everything the city has said since hasn't contradicted anything here.

[1overcosc]

For outages a smart plan would be:
-Have about 10 or so buses available on standby that could be called in to replace a portion of the LRT line on short notice
-Have detour routes planned out for each segment (ie. a Blair-St. Laurent detour, a Lebreton-Rideau detour, etc.) so a route can be quickly drawn up
-Have some sort of traffic reconfiguration plan for each planned route.. ie. for each route, have a plan to quickly re-program traffic signals, maybe make some temporary bus lanes, temporary road closures, etc. and have some staff available to be on the ground directing traffic to enforce these

If the standby fleet isn't enough to meet demand for closures (if it's more than just one small part of the route or if it's the middle of rush hour, etc.) then deploy the standby buses to do what they can and start pulling buses from elsewhere in the network.

[acottawa]

A significant number of unscheduled shutdowns on the TTC are suicides. Not sure if the LRT will have the same dynamic. Many of the rest are because the infrastructure is 60 years old. Hopefully in 60 years Ottawa will have another line.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by acottawa

A significant number of unscheduled shutdowns on the TTC are suicides. Not sure if the LRT will have the same dynamic.

Yeah.. I would imagine that the lack of a third rail means less suicide.

Originally Posted by acottawa

Many of the rest are because the infrastructure is 60 years old. Hopefully in 60 years Ottawa will have another line.

Not necessarily because it's 60 years old, more so that it wasn't given adequate lifecycle maintenance for much of those 60 years.

[Horus]

Originally Posted by acottawa

A significant number of unscheduled shutdowns on the TTC are suicides. Not sure if the LRT will have the same dynamic. Many of the rest are because the infrastructure is 60 years old. Hopefully in 60 years Ottawa will have another line.

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Yeah.. I would imagine that the lack of a third rail means less suicide.

I would think that most of the death/injury in those cases would be due from impact with the train, not electrocution by third rail. That problem would exist in Ottawa's system as well. However, the absence of an electrified third rail and the shallowness of the track pit should reduce 'accidental' injury from occurring should people find themselves on the track involuntarily.

Only the installation of platform barriers would prevent these types of situations in stations but that would still leave the system susceptible in areas where the tracks are accessible.

[condo_dreams]

Some of you might be interested in attending this: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...ost-lrt-bus-service-east-of-rideau-river

[electricron]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Toronto also has an unusually high number of shutdowns due to mechanical failures compared to other cities, due to decades of under-investment in maintenance. I think the Line 1 and Line 2 trains in Toronto meet 98% or so of planned trips, compared to the industry standard of >99.5%.

Statements with "I think" in them don't necessary point to any truths.
Try a Google search and post some data instead!
I found this link with very interesting data:
https://stevemunro.ca/2017/01/20/ttc-vehicle-reliability/

For a two year period, over the two different fleets, most of the delays were associated with malfunctioning doors, once with inverter failure, and once with brake failure. Some cars have had problems with their air conditioners - while affecting passenger comfort during the summer months, they have not caused train delays.
T
TC has 370 T1 subway cars and 480 TR subway cars. If over a two year period only 5 instances of operations delays of more than 5 minutes for T1 cars and 8 instances for TR cars, that's actually quite good.

Some math follows:
370 + 480 = 850 cars. 365 x 2 = 720 days. 850 x 720 = 612,000 car-days. During this period only 13 delays caused by the cars. 13/612,000 = 0.000021241830065, or 0.002124183006536% failure rate.

And that's per day, not per trip. These cars must make several round trips every day.

[cr872190]

As more pictures of nearly completed stations start coming in, these weird canopy structures on the train platforms have me more confused than ever. What is their purpose? I could see if it was an outdoor station having some sort of rain/snow/sun deflection purpose, but since they are now putting them in the indoor stations what exactly do they do?

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by cr872190

As more pictures of nearly completed stations start coming in, these weird canopy structures on the train platforms have me more confused than ever. What is their purpose? I could see if it was an outdoor station having some sort of rain/snow/sun deflection purpose, but since they are now putting them in the indoor stations what exactly do they do?

Were you at St Laurent Station? If so I think they are just there to add character / look cool

[PHrenetic]

Good Day....

for cr872190
and welcome to Construction Bingo, wherein since the initial 'conceptual' plans were laid out in 2011/2012, we have not seen one iota of what we are getting, except for conjecture based upon the very photos you are referencing.

The best guess in several circles is a two part answer...
1) that it is part of the 'common-look-and-feel' of station design (and cost reduction) by using standard structures and design elements. A by-product is that you cannot tell where you are except by the (hopefully) clearly-visible nameplates.
2) that in this station, it helps separate the fare-paid train platform from the unpaid commons and through-passage areas, since the fare-control stations (turnstiles, fare vending machines, etc) are all on the lower level. There are to be separate glass-curtain walls and separators in place to control customers' movements.

As I have stated before, we actually know more of Phase 2 stations than we do Phase 1, at this relative 'phase' in time.

To MountainView... thanks, I was looking for that rendering to reference, but could not find it. It is the best indication at this point of what will (might) be that we have.

EnJoy!

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day....

for cr872190
and welcome to Construction Bingo, wherein since the initial 'conceptual' plans were laid out in 2011/2012, we have not seen one iota of what we are getting, except for conjecture based upon the very photos you are referencing.

The best guess in several circles is a two part answer...
1) that it is part of the 'common-look-and-feel' of station design (and cost reduction) by using standard structures and design elements. A by-product is that you cannot tell where you are except by the (hopefully) clearly-visible nameplates.
2) that in this station, it helps separate the fare-paid train platform from the unpaid commons and through-passage areas, since the fare-control stations (turnstiles, fare vending machines, etc) are all on the lower level. There are to be separate glass-curtain walls and separators in place to control customers' movements.

As I have stated before, we actually know more of Phase 2 stations than we do Phase 1, at this relative 'phase' in time.

To MountainView... thanks, I was looking for that rendering to reference, but could not find it. It is the best indication at this point of what will (might) be that we have.

EnJoy!

Judging by the rendering it looks like your statements are very logical. Now that you pointed it out I can see the glass curtain wall separating the two zones. Thanks for that!

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day....

for cr872190
and welcome to Construction Bingo, wherein since the initial 'conceptual' plans were laid out in 2011/2012, we have not seen one iota of what we are getting, except for conjecture based upon the very photos you are referencing.

The best guess in several circles is a two part answer...
1) that it is part of the 'common-look-and-feel' of station design (and cost reduction) by using standard structures and design elements. A by-product is that you cannot tell where you are except by the (hopefully) clearly-visible nameplates.
2) that in this station, it helps separate the fare-paid train platform from the unpaid commons and through-passage areas, since the fare-control stations (turnstiles, fare vending machines, etc) are all on the lower level. There are to be separate glass-curtain walls and separators in place to control customers' movements.

As I have stated before, we actually know more of Phase 2 stations than we do Phase 1, at this relative 'phase' in time.

To MountainView... thanks, I was looking for that rendering to reference, but could not find it. It is the best indication at this point of what will (might) be that we have.

EnJoy!

They actually have all the renderings on the octranspo website itself. They are final now really, they were changing all the time because there was still time to make cosmetic changes. As for the structures, they have three purposes, to hold the station signage (much like you'd see on a TTC subway station), shelter (not needed on the indoor stations) and platform lighting. They didn't *have* to replicate the same look on the interior stations, but I guess they wanted a common look and feel.

http://www.octranspo.com/ready4rail/new_stations

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

They actually have all the renderings on the octranspo website itself. They are final now really, they were changing all the time because there was still time to make cosmetic changes. As for the structures, they have three purposes, to hold the station signage (much like you'd see on a TTC subway station), shelter (not needed on the indoor stations) and platform lighting. They didn't *have* to replicate the same look on the interior stations, but I guess they wanted a common look and feel.

http://www.octranspo.com/ready4rail/new_stations

At Parliament they are clearly building an entrance into the Sun Life building and an entrance in the Heritage/Winners building. Is that thing on the sidewalk in the rendering a third entrance or some sort of emergency exit?

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by acottawa

At Parliament they are clearly building an entrance into the Sun Life building and an entrance in the Heritage/Winners building. Is that thing on the sidewalk in the rendering a third entrance or some sort of emergency exit?

The Winners/former Zellers isn't going to be linked, is it?

[agl]

Originally Posted by acottawa

At Parliament they are clearly building an entrance into the Sun Life building and an entrance in the Heritage/Winners building. Is that thing on the sidewalk in the rendering a third entrance or some sort of emergency exit?

Original Parliament station east entrance prior to Morguard signing on to incorporate an entrance into their building on Queen street by the Winners store. So rendering is out of date.

I believe there will still be a couple of concrete boxes on the sidewalks along Queen street serving as ventilation shafts, but no station entrances.

[J.OT13]

For Parliemanet Station, there will be one "mid entracnce" as per the page 2 and 20 (upper, right) of this presentation;

http://sunlifefinancialcentreottawa.com/...nd-Construction-Update-April-19-2016.pdf

A lot more presentations can be found on Sun Life Financial Centre's website;

http://sunlifefinancialcentreottawa.com/tenants/renovation/

[J.OT13]

Confederation Line Station Art to be unveiled within the next 2 months.

City hall blog: City preparing to unveil art for the Confederation Line

JON WILLING
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Published on: June 2, 2017 | Last Updated: June 2, 2017 5:06 PM EDT

We’ll find out what the public art will look like on the Confederation Line LRT by the end of July.

That’s the information in a letter this week from the city clerk and solicitor in response to an access to information request earlier this spring.

Since we haven’t heard much about the art component on the LRT line, I thought it would be useful to see what’s up. I’m told there will be a public unveiling ceremony before the end of July, so the city doesn’t have to produce the requested records right now.

It will be a good chance to see, in a bit more detail, what the stations will look like.

Back in 2011, the city published an overview that talked about themes and cultural aspects that would be plugged into the LRT public art program.

Said the city: “Public art in a transit facility will increase customer satisfaction, manage the facility’s reputation while increasing advocacy with customers, and buy-in with Ottawa citizens and other stakeholders. Public art will also increase the proportion of Ottawa citizens feeling abler and confident to use public transit.”

Some stations will have specific themes.

For Bayview station, it’s “sustainability” with, in the city’s words, eco-conscious art and design.

We already know that Pimisi station on LeBreton Flats will be a tribute to the Algonquin people.

At Lyon station, the city plans to celebrate the history of old Bytown, and at Parliament station, the theme is Confederation.

The theme at Rideau station is “gallery” and the city, in 2011 at least, was anticipating using the space for temporary art exhibits.

The uOttawa station’s theme is “innovation.”

It appears we already know the names of some of the artists who are working on the themed stations.

I’m not sure why we stopped at those stations for handing out themes. I was really looking forward to how artists would interpret Tunney’s Pasture or Hurdman.

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twitter.com/JonathanWilling

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...to-unveil-art-for-the-confederation-line

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by agl

Original Parliament station east entrance prior to Morguard signing on to incorporate an entrance into their building on Queen street by the Winners store. So rendering is out of date.

I believe there will still be a couple of concrete boxes on the sidewalks along Queen street serving as ventilation shafts, but no station entrances.

According to one doc (can't find it offhand), the entrance on the street is a third entrance, but it's the elevators. The entrances in the Sunlife building and the one in the Winners/Zellers aren't accessible for wheelchairs