Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

The station itself will be behind a faregate, so probably not.

Also remember that the homeless population is expected to decline considerably in the coming years.

To start off. I would never ever want somebody sleeping in a station. So I don't want anyone thinking I don't have sympathy for them. Every time I see a homeless person, I wonder what type of life they've had that it came to that.

On this specific point....could they just not jump the gates if they wanted to get in? Or heck, just pay and then sleepover. $3 for the night is still cheap for shelter....

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

Unlike the old Transitway, the LRT stations will have turnstiles and fare-paid areas. If you are not taking the train, you really have no business being inside. In most cases, every train is your train, so there's no reason to hang around and loiterers are easier to spot.

But you assume people are only taking trains. If it is a transfer station, the first bus may not be your bus.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Beedok

It's worth noting that once the western extension is built there will be people waiting multiple trains due to the forked nature of the system over there.

And there's going to be more folks forced to transfer to buses at Hurdman than today (and looking at that map Hurdman is already the most dangerous station), thanks to all the South Keys area 90s and such no longer going downtown.

Two forks on the West side. Nobody is going to be waiting that long because every second train will be going to your destination. Also, generally, most people from the east are bound for the downtown core, not the West end per se. Ditto from the West going East. So most people will take the first train which comes. The only people waiting are those going to the five stations after Lincoln Fields.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Beedok

It's worth noting that once the western extension is built there will be people waiting multiple trains due to the forked nature of the system over there.

And there's going to be more folks forced to transfer to buses at Hurdman than today (and looking at that map Hurdman is already the most dangerous station), thanks to all the South Keys area 90s and such no longer going downtown.

It is predictable that Hurdman is the most dangerous station due to the fact it is so segregated from regular thoroughfares.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Two forks on the West side. Nobody is going to be waiting that long because every second train will be going to your destination. Also, generally, most people from the east are bound for the downtown core, not the West end per se. Ditto from the West going East. So most people will take the first train which comes. The only people waiting are those going to the five stations after Lincoln Fields.

Not true. Everybody bound for Kanata or Barrhaven will be waiting potentially for a second train once Phase 2 opens, and those trains will run significantly less frequently in the evening (likely every 15 minutes beyond the split). But the main issue is at transfer stations, those transferring onto buses may have quite significant waits.

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

But you assume people are only taking trains. If it is a transfer station, the first bus may not be your bus.

We're talking about the station interior and tracks, the bus stops are outside. In cases where bus transfer area is inside a fare-paid zone, anyone without a valid transfer or time remaining on their Presto card can be removed and/or fined — that's a significant difference from the current Transitway set-up.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

But the main issue is at transfer stations, those transferring onto buses may have quite significant waits.

If you already had to transfer at a suburban station (say to catch a 100 series bus) then your wait at the station will be about the same, but you will get to that station faster.

If you were accustomed to taking a bus directly from downtown then your wait will move from a crowded downtown street to a purpose-built transfer station. You would replace time inching along Albert/Slater with time spent getting to the platform (and I guess it is a personal choice which is better).

I think the most noticeable improvement will be improved consistency. Barring a major incident, the LRT portion of the trip should take about the same amount of time each day, which will make planning easier. I also think (or at least hope) there will be more consistency on the buses because they will be less likely to get tied up in bottlenecks.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Not true. Everybody bound for Kanata or Barrhaven will be waiting potentially for a second train once Phase 2 opens, and those trains will run significantly less frequently in the evening (likely every 15 minutes beyond the split).

There won't be a split during the late evening (and other low periods). The last I heard, the plan is, during the low periods, when service drops to every 15 minutes (the minimum frequency), all trains from downtown will travel to Baseline. Lincoln Fields station will have 3 tracks with 2 platforms, so if you want to go to Bayshore (or Kanata), you get off the train, walk across the platform to the train waiting there (on the middle track) and board it. Both trains will depart at approximately the same time, so it won't cost a significant amount of time (just a tiny bit of effort). When traveling in reverse, the train from Bayshore/Kanata will likely arrive (at the middle track) a bit before the one from Baseline to ensure the connection isn't missed.

This could be changed to have all trains go to Bayshore/Kanata and transfers be necessary for those going to Baseline, but the principle is the same.

When the trains are more frequent, they will either alternate between the two destinations or cycle between destinations of Baseline, Bayshore and Lincoln Fields (where it will turn around and head back downtown).

As a result, the maximum wait for destinations west of Lincoln Fields will be between 9 and 15 minutes (which works out to an average wait of 4.5 to 7.5 minutes). For destinations of Lincoln Fields and east, the maximum wait will range from 3 to 15 minutes (an average of 1.5 to 7.5 minutes).

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by roger1818

There won't be a split during the late evening (and other low periods). The last I heard, the plan is, during the low periods, when service drops to every 15 minutes (the minimum frequency), all trains from downtown will travel to Baseline. Lincoln Fields station will have 3 tracks with 2 platforms, so if you want to go to Bayshore (or Kanata), you get off the train, walk across the platform to the train waiting there (on the middle track) and board it. Both trains will depart at approximately the same time, so it won't cost a significant amount of time (just a tiny bit of effort). When traveling in reverse, the train from Bayshore/Kanata will likely arrive (at the middle track) a bit before the one from Baseline to ensure the connection isn't missed.

This could be changed to have all trains go to Bayshore/Kanata and transfers be necessary for those going to Baseline, but the principle is the same.

When the trains are more frequent, they will either alternate between the two destinations or cycle between destinations of Baseline, Bayshore and Lincoln Fields (where it will turn around and head back downtown).

As a result, the maximum wait for destinations west of Lincoln Fields will be between 9 and 15 minutes (which works out to an average wait of 4.5 to 7.5 minutes). For destinations of Lincoln Fields and east, the maximum wait will range from 3 to 15 minutes (an average of 1.5 to 7.5 minutes).

If they bring those down to 15 minute wait times, you are still at 7.5 minute wait times downtown. That isn't bad.

The real problem will be when those legs become so busy that they cannot run enough trains. Then another E-W line will be needed.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I think the most noticeable improvement will be improved consistency. Barring a major incident, the LRT portion of the trip should take about the same amount of time each day, which will make planning easier. I also think (or at least hope) there will be more consistency on the buses because they will be less likely to get tied up in bottlenecks.

What are they doing to eliminate bus bottlenecks in the core, other than on Slater and Albert, where they are dealing with the issue by removing (OCTranspo) buses entirely?

All the LRT in the world doesn't benefit anyone who still ends up getting stuck for 20, 30, 40 minutes or more inching along Bank or Rideau or Laurier East or Somerset West on their local bus.

[Truenorth00]

Looking for info on frequencies on the new line. Anyone have any?

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

If they bring those down to 15 minute wait times, you are still at 7.5 minute wait times downtown. That isn't bad.

The real problem will be when those legs become so busy that they cannot run enough trains. Then another E-W line will be needed.

That is a long, long ways off. It's a fully segregated line running in an exclusive ROW. Should have more than enough capacity for out lifetime.

[PHrenetic]

Good Day...
per roger1818.... yup, also as far as I am aware.

The plan still has it that the Bayshore 'shuttle leg' arrives at the center track before either of the west/southbound Baseline or north/eastbound Trim trains arrive. They arrive, exchange passengers to and from the 'shuttle', depart, and then the Bayshore shuttle departs. Thus all destinations are serviced with minimal delay or inconvenience.
As you intimate, that plan can be inverted to make the Baseline run the 'shuttle leg.
We shall see, both of which is the shuttle (early days yet, and with the Moodie extension they well may invert from the start, which I think would be more optimal), and if they can actually properly co-ordinate the arrivals and departures (which should not be a biggie, but ya never know ! )

EnJoy!

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

What are they doing to eliminate bus bottlenecks in the core, other than on Slater and Albert, where they are dealing with the issue by removing (OCTranspo) buses entirely?

All the LRT in the world doesn't benefit anyone who still ends up getting stuck for 20, 30, 40 minutes or more inching along Bank or Rideau or Laurier East or Somerset West on their local bus.

There isn't much. Fewer STO buses clogging up Rideau, several routes that will drop off at the LRT and get about their business again rather than spend 20 minutes taking 3 passengers downtown (9, whatever they call the former 1). More viable other direction options for the east end that will probably be faster.

[rocketphish]

Ottawa councillor wants to hear Confederation Line contingency plans
Coun. Jeff Leiper says he is confident OC Transpo will have plan for train being taken out of service, but he wants to hear it.

By: Ryan Tumilty, Metro
Published on Thu Jun 01 2017

Should the Confederation Line go off the rails when it gets up and running one Ottawa city councillors wants to ensure there is a ready-to-go response plan.

Coun. Jeff Leiper asked during Tuesday Transit Commission for information from staff about what the city’s plans are should the line or a station face some kind of difficulty.

He said bomb threats, mechanical problems are just some of the potential disruptions the system may face when it is up and running next year.

“It’s not unheard of that a station might have to come offline,” he said.

Leiper said he was hearing the concern from residents and while he was confident OC Transpo would have a plan he doesn’t see any reason why that shouldn’t be public.

“Residents are perfectly within their rights to say, ‘I trust that you have thought this through’, but let’s verify,” he said. “I don’t think residents should ever be in a position to hear trust us.”

Leiper wants to how long it will take to alert passengers and how buses will be used to continue to provide service. He also want to know how the problems will be communicated to passengers.

Transportation General manager John Manconi said all of that has been worked on, as they get ready for light rail.

He said he has no problem sharing it with commissioners, as soon as they have worked out all the details.

“We have a comprehensive plan that is just being finalized and we’re happy to share that.”

http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/2017...s-plan-confederation-line-problems-.html

[lrt's friend]

Technical problems are inevitable. There will be rail shutdowns, even if it affects just part of the line.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by acottawa

There isn't much. Fewer STO buses clogging up Rideau, several routes that will drop off at the LRT and get about their business again rather than spend 20 minutes taking 3 passengers downtown (9, whatever they call the former 1). More viable other direction options for the east end that will probably be faster.

As long as we are relying on street-running surface transit that has to compete with virtually unlimited amounts of other types of traffic to cross one of just two bridges over the Rideau Canal and three over the Rideau River, then the near east end will never see improvements to its service.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Technical problems are inevitable. There will be rail shutdowns, even if it affects just part of the line.

This sudden fixation on shutdown contingencies is a more-recent iteration of ERMAGERD TERRISTS from the same litany of people who are against LRT, and probably against transit, period.

Other cities with rail transit cope when there's an inevitable shutdown do to circumstances beyond anyone's control. Why are Ottawans turning into such pathetic, snivelling snowflakes over this?

[PHrenetic]

Good Day...

because we have ample evidence from ALL routes/circumstances/events/situations that they CANNOT be trusted AT ALL to get ANY of it right. esp. the Trillium-Line outages.

and communicating those outages to the users ? HAH !

snog >:-(

[kevinbottawa]

In Toronto I was on the subway quite a few times when it was shutdown causing people to have to take buses instead. Bomb threats, people jumping onto the tracks in front of trains, etc. Doesn't hurt to be prepared.