Calgary International Airport II

[CrossedTheTracks]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

But if it is weather dependent, 11 times - really, should you have to flag that issue?

Yeah, but 11 times out of 11? I'm sure CBC cherry-picked the data to pick the worst sequence of tech stops, but still...

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by CrossedTheTracks

It does strike me as weird that they would intentionally file flight plans that they planned NOT to follow. I'd certainly find it very frustrating as a passenger to be sold one thing and get another; I don't think it should be up to the average consumer to check the range of the operating aircraft, the distance of the flight, and say, "Hmm, Martha, that's a heckuva stretch, it's gonna go tech stop, we'd better not buy that flight!"

100% agree.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Acey

Well it's completely legal and filing CUN-MSY-YEG would be refused, as stated.

If allowed, they'd likely have simply filed the stop but deceived the pax in the same manner.

Irrespective if the deception is legal from an aviation perspective, a deception is a deception, and is not fair to the customers.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

I'm sick and tired of CBC slandering Canadian companies for no reason.

Agree that slandering should only be allowed for fraud and intentional deception, like Transat selling tickets as direct when they know that the plane cannot make it and will stop.

[simster3]

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

In positive news, this is happening tonight! ETA 10:20pm.

I have already bought tickets on this flight for Feb to Costa Rica. Great deals right now.

[Bokimon]

I too saw that CBC report about the misleading flights for these various travel packages. Jeez only in Canada will average travelers have to actually hunker down and do some homework with an operator's fleet and performa envelope to verify these marketing claims of non-stop flights. For a spotter like myself I wouldn't mind an MSY or MCI pit stop along the way but for many, it does appear cleverly scheming tactic to take advantage of the travelling public. "The Mexican Game" is truly a game to bypass or circumvent Mexican requirements or/and passenger contracts in the purchase fare to use unscheduled diversions as an excuse to get those old 737's rake in some dough for these third party carriers. I guess it is legal and here to stay if the claims are true that pax are at least informed (last minute) and don't seem too upset by what would be an important stop that must be done in order to actually make it all the way back home. Just the way it is methodically planned and communicated doesn't seem right to me. Overall I thought it was a pretty good investigative reporting by the CBC, a welcome break from the usual AC bashings of flights or bookings cancelled for this and that reason. Though the public loves taking advantage of anything negative of AC and the CBC is the right fuel.

Love AMX starting up flights tonight, shame for the light but maybe we can catch a break in the future where a cancelled or badly delayed flight might lead to some daylight activity including upgaging subs. Ahem 787 with the children's art livery.
I too have a flight with them in a few months and I am excited, infact I have 2 flights with them and I'm sure there will be more to come if their monster sales ever extend into 2018 which I am monitoring. So def count me in on the AMX bandwagon to contribute to intl' pax stats for YYC.

Here is a welcome break of positive news though. If this plan does proceed, it would be just the kind of medicine our city needs in order to start diversifying our industry in an awesome way and Aerospace is as awesome as it gets! Too many complaints that O+G is our Achilles heel and the cries to grow other sectors since the recession began. Plus it would add a nice diverse mix of flight movements to get some pictures of.
http://calgaryherald.com/business/local-...-president-says-could-bring-900-new-jobs

[Blader]

Originally Posted by Bokimon

Here is a welcome break of positive news though. If this plan does proceed, it would be just the kind of medicine our city needs in order to start diversifying our industry in an awesome way and Aerospace is as awesome as it gets! Too many complaints that O+G is our Achilles heel and the cries to grow other sectors since the recession began. Plus it would add a nice diverse mix of flight movements to get some pictures of.
http://calgaryherald.com/business/local-...-president-says-could-bring-900-new-jobs

I drove by Viking Air a day or so ago and saw all the parked water bombers - quite the sight! It's a smart can do company with a track record. They've done it with the Twin Otter. I'm confident they will pull this off.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by MMMBeer

Actually today's punching bag is Air Transat, with a non-story about how wet-leased aircraft from Flair flying to Mexico occasionally had to make fuel stops instead of being non-stop flights. The horror.

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

I'm sick and tired of CBC slandering Canadian companies for no reason. Lost a bunch of money on my TD stock after they did the "news" article about their sales practices and now they are going after AT over a non-issue. /rant

I do not agree with either of you. Here is why.

Let's take an airline/airliner that has been the target of blame for diversions over the last few years. UA and their 757s from central Europe to EWR.

The main difference between these two situations is that UA was filing TXL-EWR and only deciding to divert half way or more into their flight, once the impact of the weather/winds was calculated. On days where it was obvious the diversion was necessary, the diversion might have already been planned before takeoff, but it was done the right way (YYT, YYR or YQX was the destination airport in the flight plan ). Also, the 757 had the published range to cover the route and did so over 95% of the time. It also helps that these are scheduled flights, and might not necessarily have a full load all the time.

In the case of Flair and their B734s, the crew knew very well that they would be diverting before takeoff and didn't file the diversion. The B734's published range is not enough for CUN-YEG on a full load (charters usually go out with a full load), and this is why 11 out of 11 flights got diverted.

This is the main difference, and why I think this is definitely not a non-issue. Practices such as these should be banned in my opinion.

It does raise the concern that if the crew were to lose communication with ATC on departure from CUN, technically, they should continue to the destination filed in the f/p. If the crew knows very well that is not possible, then filing a flight plan with that destination should not be allowed. They were clearly deceiving the passengers, and were instructed to do so. The fact that you guys are claiming this is a non-issue is pretty crazy, in my opinion. I wouldn't want you guys running a company I deal with, because safety and customer service would clearly not be a top priority for you guys.

P.S What TD did is pretty deceptive as well, and should not be brushed off as a non-issue either.

[hoboman27]

https://www.biv.com/article/2017/6/westjet-seeks-government-permission-fly-china/

WestJet eyes for China, reported in local Vancouver news outlets. Speculators, unleash your theories!

[Cage]

Originally Posted by hoboman27

https://www.biv.com/article/2017/6/westjet-seeks-government-permission-fly-china/

WestJet eyes for China, reported in local Vancouver news outlets. Speculators, unleash your theories!

Some people have been speculating for a couple of weeks now:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=7805204#post7805204

To re-iterate my position:

WS will make a big play for the new Daxing airport when it opens in 2019 or 2020. But I don't think they will stop at Beijing, expect PVG and HKG to be on the list.

If Saretsky was thinking of YYC for global expansion, he would have made the presentation to the Calgary Chamber of Commerce rather than the Vancouver Board of Trade. As of right now, I believe that YYC is off the list of international expansion to Asia for WS.

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by Cage

As of right now, I believe that YYC is off the list of international expansion to Asia for WS.

Would have liked to see YYC-HKG

Maybe Cathay would be interested, 3-4x A350

[Cage]

At the end of the Saretsky VBoT Q&A session, it was announced by WS that beginning June 6th the Call to Gate System will vanish. Pax will get gate information same as domestic terminal and there will be no more gate to be announced 2 hours before departure.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Cage

At the end of the Saretsky VBoT Q&A session, it was announced by WS that beginning June 6th the Call to Gate System will vanish. Pax will get gate information same as domestic terminal and there will be no more gate to be announced 2 hours before departure.

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by Cage

At the end of the Saretsky VBoT Q&A session, it was announced by WS that beginning June 6th the Call to Gate System will vanish. Pax will get gate information same as domestic terminal and there will be no more gate to be announced 2 hours before departure.

This is for all airlines?

[Chopper]

I have a feeling west jet will funnel most of their pacific flights in YVR, YYC will cover north and central america, YYZ will be atlantic. For me this is more feasible for their growth economically.

[The Chemist]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

Would have liked to see YYC-HKG

Maybe Cathay would be interested, 3-4x A350

I'm still hoping for YYC-PVG. But it certainly isn't looking likely, so it'll stay as AC PVG-YVR-YYC for me on my return trips to Canada.

[hollywoodcory]

first of, I'm Cory and I decided to join, although not sure how often I'll actually be posting. I've been lurking here for the past year though.

Anyways, some good news to share:

Hainan is planning to up it's metal to the 787-9 for next summer effective March 27, 2018. That is an extra approx. 76 seats per flight. Also means we'd likely see those Kung Fu Panda liveries as well. Still only 3x weekly.

It will now operate the A332 from 02 SEP to 27 OCT, then resume the B788 service for the winter. (subject to change of course)

[suburbia]

Is this Flair thing the real deal (a 3rd national airline) or is it going to be a big fart. Starts out strong, but dissipates fast with only bad memories remaining.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/newleaf-flair-airlines-1.4149722

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Bokimon

Here is a welcome break of positive news though. If this plan does proceed, it would be just the kind of medicine our city needs in order to start diversifying our industry in an awesome way and Aerospace is as awesome as it gets! Too many complaints that O+G is our Achilles heel and the cries to grow other sectors since the recession began. Plus it would add a nice diverse mix of flight movements to get some pictures of.
http://calgaryherald.com/business/local-...-president-says-could-bring-900-new-jobs

Hate to be the debbie downer , but this is only potentially somewhat positive news.

While the 900 new jobs sounds like a good news story, it really is not good news for out of work Calgarians. Here is why:
(1) Aircraft manufacturing relies heavily on government grants and other funding mechanisms. A decision to bring in aircraft manufacturing into the industry mix must be weighed against whether the funds could be better spent in other industries that are less dependent on continual handouts.
(2) Viking Air would need to fill majority of the new 900 jobs with experienced people. These peeps would likely come from ON and QB where the experience currently lies.
(3) The engines, ancillary components will be made elsewhere, so there is limited opportunity for spin off jobs. \

Overall Calgary should focus on its core target industries of Transportation, Logistics, IT, Agribusiness, and Financial Services.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by suburbia

Is this Flair thing the real deal (a 3rd national airline) or is it going to be a big fart. Starts out strong, but dissipates fast with only bad memories remaining.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/newleaf-flair-airlines-1.4149722

New Leaf has a much better chance of survival as a sub brand of Flair/KFC group than as a stand-a-lone company.