Winnipeg Construction IX

[Bdog]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ It would be great if we could wave a magic wand and stop all residential development outside city limits, but since that isn't an option, density in such a way that makes efficient use of infrastructure is the next best thing.

I think it's great to see the small communities outside our borders starting to build up rather than out. For those who don't get out in the capital region much, take a drive out to Lorette, Niverville, IDC, Oakbank or even Steinbach. It's amazing how much density has gone up in those towns over the last decade or so. Apartments, condos, townhouses, etc.

[Bluenote]

Originally Posted by Bdog

I think it's great to see the small communities outside our borders starting to build up rather than out. For those who don't get out in the capital region much, take a drive out to Lorette, Niverville, IDC, Oakbank or even Steinbach. It's amazing how much density has gone up in those towns over the last decade or so. Apartments, condos, townhouses, etc.

Density in those towns?
OakBank has town sprawl like never before.
Oakbluff is eating up farm land like crazy.
Lasalle is eating up farmland like never in its history
St Adophe has expanded to the east and south dramatically in the last two years.
Niberville is getting to the point of a small city the way it's spreading southwards.
IDC and Loretta are the only two that are not sprawling.

And the majority of all the new owners of their $500k plus homes are from Winnipeg.

[rkspec]

was out in Boundary Trails a couple months ago and was amazed to see that Winkler has its own Walmart!
Lots of residential developments going up as well, that little town was bumpin

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Agreed. If the infrastructure is already there, go for it. Plus it's a lot better than if it fell just outside city limits.

You do understand that the proposed four story residential building for West St Paul (WSP) is literally "just" outside the city limits, as in almost right on the boundary line? They will pay their property tax to WSP but almost exclusively drive on Winnipeg maintained roads.

[pacman]

Originally Posted by Wolf13

Fair perspective.

But I personally think that colour was horrible, because you can play that uniqueness card on 360 Main which looked terrible in poop-green despite being one of very few in that colour.

I'll have to drive by and see it up close, but it looks like an improvement.

I agree, to me that old colour was gross. I don't see the sense in keeping colour just for the sake of having colour. I don't know about the quality of the paint job or the maintenance issues they're going to have in the future but to me the building looks modernized (from a distance). I'd rather have boring and somewhat modern than ugly but "timeless".

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by Bluenote

Density in those towns?
OakBank has town sprawl like never before.

Oak Bank has been on a constant outward sprawl for 30+ years now.

I still recall them not having anything east 206 and the part south of the hotel being "new".

[pacman]

Originally Posted by CoryB

You do understand that the proposed four story residential building for West St Paul (WSP) is literally "just" outside the city limits, as in almost right on the boundary line? They will pay their property tax to WSP but almost exclusively drive on Winnipeg maintained roads.

And what's the point? They almost exclusively drive on Winnipeg maintained roads to spend money on groceries, gas, entertainment, literally everything but property tax. Those things add up. Do you realize WSP residents can't buy a litre of milk or a litre of gas unless they leave their municipality? Yes, I realize that direct taxes like the PST are paid to higher levels of government and don't directly enter City coffers, but there are many businesses that benefit from those residents, and transfer payments to the City are comprised partially from WSP residents through indirect taxes. I hate how bedroom community residents are always cast in this negative light as if they're a pariah.

[Urban recluse]

I wish the provincial government would be bold enough to implement initiatives to limit sprawl. With that, and the city's growth fee (which needs to be eliminated from the downtown and older neighborhoods), I think very few people will build outside the city.

[CoryB]

Not sure where to post it but MTS Centre is now Bell MTS Place and MTS Iceplex is now Bell MTS Iceplex.

Source

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by pacman

And what's the point? They almost exclusively drive on Winnipeg maintained roads to spend money on groceries, gas, entertainment, literally everything but property tax. Those things add up. Do you realize WSP residents can't buy a litre of milk or a litre of gas unless they leave their municipality? Yes, I realize that direct taxes like the PST are paid to higher levels of government and don't directly enter City coffers, but there are many businesses that benefit from those residents, and transfer payments to the City are comprised partially from WSP residents through indirect taxes. I hate how bedroom community residents are always cast in this negative light as if they're a pariah.

I'm going to try sending a partial payment for my property taxes to the city, with the explanation that I buy milk and gas and pay PST on those things, so I'm already pulling my weight

[esquire]

Originally Posted by CoryB

Not sure where to post it but MTS Centre is now Bell MTS Place and MTS Iceplex is now Bell MTS Iceplex.

Source

I guess they had to change it to "Place" since the old appellation would sound too close to Montreal's "Bell Centre"?

I think I might just start calling it "the arena"...

EDIT: I wonder what this means for the former MTS head office, since that complex at 333 Main was called "MTS Place" and presumably won't become "Bell MTS Place".

[pacman]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

I'm going to try sending a partial payment for my property taxes to the city, with the explanation that I buy milk and gas and pay PST on those things, so I'm already pulling my weight

Nice, such wit must come from a proud property tax paying Winnipeger.

[bomberjet]

Place centre true north Bell stadium MTS arena centre

[robertocarlos]

What's wrong with BellMTS Centre?

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by CoryB

You do understand that the proposed four story residential building for West St Paul (WSP) is literally "just" outside the city limits, as in almost right on the boundary line? They will pay their property tax to WSP but almost exclusively drive on Winnipeg maintained roads.

Ahh, I thought that part was technically still CoW.

Originally Posted by esquire

I guess they had to change it to "Place" since the old appellation would sound too close to Montreal's "Bell Centre"?

I think I might just start calling it "the arena"...

EDIT: I wonder what this means for the former MTS head office, since that complex at 333 Main was called "MTS Place" and presumably won't become "Bell MTS Place".

Originally Posted by robertocarlos

What's wrong with BellMTS Centre?

BellMTS is most definitely a stop-gap measure to make the transition to Bell easier/less scary to Manitobans. Guaranteed in 5 years MTS will be a relic of the past... no way Bell keeps a sub-brand for just the small market in MB (compared to their overall portfolio). They lucked out like crazy that the corporate colours are the same.

Car companies and others have been doing this a lot lately as they unify their brand names across the globe. (ex: Pontiac Pursuit > G5 Pursuit > G5; Nissan Versa > Versa Note > [is going to become Note])

EDIT: BellMTS Arena rolls off the tongue so much better.

[esquire]

BellAliant is a similar situation where Bell took over the regional Telco years ago and still maintains that sub-brand. So even though it's likely it will eventually disappear, it seems that Bell isn't in any rush.

Also, I had a brainwave and my prediction is that the MTS head office will become known as BellMTS Square.

[CoryB]

Betting the name for the former MTS Place becomes "Bell MTS Call Centre".

[Wolf13]

Originally Posted by Bluenote

Density in those towns?
OakBank has town sprawl like never before.
Oakbluff is eating up farm land like crazy.
Lasalle is eating up farmland like never in its history
St Adophe has expanded to the east and south dramatically in the last two years.
Niberville is getting to the point of a small city the way it's spreading southwards.
IDC and Loretta are the only two that are not sprawling.

And the majority of all the new owners of their $500k plus homes are from Winnipeg.

But isn't that what we expect?

Originally Posted by CoryB

You do understand that the proposed four story residential building for West St Paul (WSP) is literally "just" outside the city limits, as in almost right on the boundary line? They will pay their property tax to WSP but almost exclusively drive on Winnipeg maintained roads.

That happens, and it's normal.

They probably all work and contribute exclusively to the Winnipeg economy, and all WSP gets from that is some property tax?

I'm in East St Paul, but while I only "benefit" from Winnipeg I also only contribute to Winnipeg.

[biguc]

Property taxes are the problem. If the city had other options, like congestion fees for drivers, we wouldn't need to worry as much about local political boundaries. But the province ties the city's hands and has never seemed interested in changing that.

[pegaholic]

after driving down carlton today is it just me or does the actual public space seems kind of small relative to the buildings.. i dont understand how they need over 17 million dollars in public money to help fund it.. What are the benches and water fountain feature going to be made of gold with expensive champagne pouring out of it.

i understand that the lighting and large led display might cost a bit of money but 17 million seems like a lot.. the space seems tiny but it might just look that way because of the all the construction equipment and work going on