Canadian Airport Thread

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Transat to start seasonal YUL/YYZ-TPA and YUL/YYZ-SJU service for winter 2017-18. Several other routes see increases as well.

http://www.travelweek.ca/news/air-transat-adds-tampa-san-juan-flights-for-winter-2017-18

They're adding weekly flights to Santo Domingo as well with the 737-800.

Looks like Lisbon is year round now from YUL as well, Flights on Thursday.

[G.S MTL]

wow!! finally! year round YUL-LIS!!! I think 1 weekly winter but still!!

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by G.S MTL

wow!! finally! year round YUL-LIS!!! I think 1 weekly winter but still!!

Should be a matter of time before TAP announces YUL.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

Should be a matter of time before TAP announces YUL.

Not before 2019 in all likelihood. (once enough A321neoLR's are delivered)

Speaking of neo's, Wow Air recently received their first A320neo (reg: TF-NEO). They have been utilizing it extensively to YUL on this side of the pond ! It rotates at CPH or LGW, depending on the day.

https://www.flightradar24.com/flight/ww251

https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/tf-neo

[G.S MTL]

Think ROUGE will do YUL-LIS? 3 weekly?

[Pinus]

Just noticed that there are now direct flights between Melbourne and Vancouver with Air Canada. Right on.

[Marshal]

Just home from Buenos Aires. Now there's a place just begging for better airport infrastructure and capacity and routes. I used Jorge Newbery (AEP) and Ministro Pistarini (EZE). Just 20,000,000 between the two for a city of +12 million people. EZE (international flights) was modern more or less, but lacked a lot of amenities. The coolest thing at AEP (domestic)was the park sticking out into the River Plate. I don't know how, but they manage +11,000,000 passengers with a single runway.

I also was in Mendoza; MDZ was a small but nice little airport. Felt like Victoria (YYJ). Two cool things in Mendoza: Vancouver's old trollybuses in red livery, and at the airport, a squadron of old air-force fighters taking off in front of us (I was told they were recently upgraded Lockheed Martin A-4s).

Oh, and I almost forgot the 1st world complaining: Mexico City to BA was another torture-fest for this guy, doubly so with a window seat but clouds the whole way, both ways. You more frequent fliers will be happy to know, I kept smiling anyway - the whole way through.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by Marshal

I don't know how, but they manage +11,000,000 passengers with a single runway.

That's not really that amazing, considering that last year, LGW served over 43M passengers with a single runway.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by G.S MTL

Think ROUGE will do YUL-LIS? 3 weekly?

Wouldn't shock me. If demand picks up, why not.

Originally Posted by Marshal

Just home from Buenos Aires. Now there's a place just begging for better airport infrastructure and capacity and routes. I used Jorge Newbery (AEP) and Ministro Pistarini (EZE). Just 20,000,000 between the two for a city of +12 million people.

Like i've said numerous times, just goes to show that a city's population has no correlation to the number of passengers that pass through it's airports.

[sunsetmountainland]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Wouldn't shock me. If demand picks up, why not.



Like i've said numerous times, just goes to show that a city's population has no correlation to the number of passengers that pass through it's airports.

Good point unless you talk about China!

[LeftCoaster]

Cool shot of the YVR transborder hammerhead's new LED apron lighting:


https://www.instagram.com/p/BUfGUYdhBhs/?taken-by=yvrairport&hl=en

Pretty good mix of tails too, I see a Westjet, 2 American Airlines, 3 United, Cathay to JFK and a Rouge 767.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Cool shot of the YVR transborder hammerhead's new LED apron lighting:

Way too bright if you ask me.

Wonder how the tower controllers feel about that new lighting. During nightime, the bright lights can block essential parts of the airport that need to be seen from the control tower. Here at YUL, they also put strong white lights such as those in the new international jetty extension. Those lights were blocking the control tower's view of the threshold of runway 06L at night. Kind of an SMS issue when you can't see the planes lining up at the threshold ! We asked the airport authority to replace them with the standard soft white lights instead.

Originally Posted by sunsetmountainland

Good point unless you talk about China!

Not really. China is not exempt. The same can be seen over there.

Take Tianjin, metro area 15 million, airport handles less than 17 million passengers.

[LeftCoaster]

Looked great when I landed the other night, planes really popped.

No idea how it effects the tower, but as a user of the airport it's definitely a better experience.

[cyeg66]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Cool shot of the YVR transborder hammerhead's new LED apron lighting:


https://www.instagram.com/p/BUfGUYdhBhs/?taken-by=yvrairport&hl=en

Pretty good mix of tails too, I see a Westjet, 2 American Airlines, 3 United, Cathay to JFK and a Rouge 767.

Looks great. I see no issues with the lighting. I wouldn't worry about the YUL issues too much, either. Tough to see through $17B in equalization payments and a sea of AC/Jazz(mostly CRJ2) tails....

----for the record, I'm just busting your balls, AK.
That's just how bored we are here (until things pick up, in 20 years or so)

[DrNest]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Way too bright if you ask me.

Wonder how the tower controllers feel about that new lighting. During nightime, the bright lights can block essential parts of the airport that need to be seen from the control tower. Here at YUL, they also put strong white lights such as those in the new international jetty extension. Those lights were blocking the control tower's view of the threshold of runway 06L at night. Kind of an SMS issue when you can't see the planes lining up at the threshold ! We asked the airport authority to replace them with the standard soft white lights.

That was my first thought too. I imagine it's great for the apron workers, but I do wonder how much glare the bright lights affect the tower controllers.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by DrNest

That was my first thought too. I imagine it's great for the apron workers, but I do wonder how much glare the bright lights affect the tower controllers.

It all depends on the line of sight from the tower. I know YVR tower is about 45 ft taller than YUL's, so the new lighting might affect it less than it did us.

Originally Posted by cyeg66

----for the record, I'm just busting your balls, AK.
That's just how bored we are here (until things pick up, in 20 years or so)

Well, you could always bid to come back to YUL. After the two year freeze that is !

[cyeg66]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Well, you could always bid to come back to YUL. After the two year freeze that is !

I'd be lying if I said it hadn't crossed my mind more than a few times.

[sunsetmountainland]

Not really. China is not exempt. The same can be seen over there.

Take Tianjin, metro area 15 million, airport handles less than 17 million passengers.

I think you might have proved my point. China is so big that a place like Tianjin so close to Beijing. Is like having the Hamilton airport close to the Toronto airport?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_th...7s_busiest_airports_by_passenger_traffic

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by sunsetmountainland

I think you might have proved my point. China is so big that a place like Tianjin so close to Beijing. Is like having the Hamilton airport close to the Toronto airport?

Ok. Let's use Toronto and Hamilton as an example.

Both of them together, they have a metro area population of 6.6 million people. Both airports together handle about 45 million passengers. That's 7x the population.

Now Beijing and Tianjin. Both of them together have a metro area population over 40 million people, yet both airports (PEK and TSN) combined handle 111 million passengers a year. That's not even 3x the population. So on a per capita basis, even the Chinese airports don't rival the large hubs of North America and Europe.

China is no different than Argentina or airports in Africa in that context. (Overly populous cities, little activity at their airports vs the city population.)

[sunsetmountainland]

http://avolon.aero/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Land-of-Silk-and-Money-Final.pdf

http://avolon.aero/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/The_Land_of_Silk_and_Money_Pt2.pdf

http://www.anna.aero/2016/07/26/chinese-airlines-growing-over-25-percent-internationally-in-2016/

I do not agree with your argument with China being no different than Argentina or African airports.

A quote from the part two pdf

In 2012, China overtook Germany and the USA to become the world’s largest generator of outbound
travel, following a growth trajectory as impressive as any of China’s many economic achievements
over the past 30 years. In 2016, over 120 million Chinese travelled to international destinations, yet this
number represents less than 9% of the total population and only 15% of urban residents, suggesting that
there is a great deal more growth to come on top of the average 17% annual increases achieved over the
past five years. Those travellers spent US$110 billion, which makes the market an extremely attractive
one for the destination countries. For the majority of outbound Chinese tourists (a metric that includes
all journeys undertaken for business or leisure purposes), their international travel experiences often
begin with trips to destinations in Greater China (Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan). As their confidence
and spending power increases, travellers venture further afield, first to destinations in North and
Southeast Asia, then to Australasia, Europe and the USA.
China is also a significant destination for inbound
tourism, with over 100 million visitors from Greater
China and 26 million from other parts of the world
in 2015, although underlying growth is significantly
slower that the outbound market, with declines
recorded in three of the past five years. China is a
destination for both business and leisure travellers
drawn from a wide range of countries.
The vast majority of inbound and outbound
travellers arrive and depart by air, with the exception
of Hong Kong and Macau, where the land border
allows a high level of surface access. In 2016, more
than 150 airlines provided international air services to
and from over 80 airports in China, operating almost
800,000 flights with 165 million seats and carrying
126.6 million passengers, at an average load factor
of 77%. 21 Chinese airlines operated international
flights in 2016, carrying 62 million passengers and
accounting for 49% of the market, with airlines
other than the Big 3 continuing to grow in scale and
relevance.
This paper analyses each of the main international
air travel markets and the role secured by Chinese
carriers in each market, identifies the main drivers of
growth and provides traffic growth forecasts for the
next decade.
The paper also examines the current fleet profile
of the Chinese airline industry and, linking the
outlook for international markets with that of
the domestic Chinese market addressed in Part
1 of the White Paper, forecasts the development
requirements of the Chinese airlines’ fleets in terms
of additional aircraft deliveries split by single aisle,
twin aisle and regional aircraft, which will exceed
3,000 deliveries over the next decade, 53% of which
have yet to be ordered.