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Old Posted May 16, 2017, 7:33 PM
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Yup. This has to be one of the most hackneyed back-patting good ole boy deals in the history of the city and it needs to be stopped. WTF with the random four townhomes duct-taped to the south end of that monstrosity? Its like a retarded thirteen year old with Sketchup huffed glue and dropped his computer in the toilet. Stop this nonsense. I am now convinced that this shitty apartment bubble needs to be popped. It is ruining all available deals in the city across all asset classes. CowboyClearBurySatch all suck and our city only do their bidding.
I really hope they build this project
     
     
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Old Posted May 16, 2017, 8:27 PM
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I really like the before and after of Paragon Station. Looks like almost all the units are taken already. Clearwater has done some good work downtown so far. Hopefully they can keep it up with their upcoming projects.



     
     
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That building is a vast improvement for sure.
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Old Posted May 16, 2017, 8:46 PM
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The side of the building looks like a parkourist's dream.

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Once the paperbox building comes down and they finish off this block with the new road and apartment building, I just know no one will say mean things about salt lake again.

This will also help keep the homeless from sleeping on 400w.... maybe.
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Is this the new incarnation of Jimmy Chips, Green Bro, Plaid Shirt, SanDiego-Honolulu?
     
     
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LOL...That's the first thing that came to mind. My guess would be that's exactly who it is. Fortunately with Viperlord on board daily now he won't last more than another post.
     
     
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Agree. So much better now. Whoever made the design decision here has excellent taste. Also, I wish there would be a lot more manufacturing imitation of that brick. Really, any of the type and patina of the brick you see on these old buildings or mansions on S. Temple is so much more attractive than a lot of the brick they use now. For example, look at the brick on the old Trolley Sq. vs. the new Whole Foods. The Whole Foods is okay, but lacks the charm of the original brick. Looking at some of the old historic photos of the west side, it would seem that there were a lot of this type of structure at one time. They would be doing the west side of downtown a favor if they used this type of brick more, or say the brick of the Crane building or Daynes. I'm wondering what the Pierpont Apts. is going to end up looking like. Kind of questioning the brick and patina they seem to be choosing, if we go by the renderings.

I loathe that mirrored glass when it's placed on an historic structure like that was. While it's not quite as offensive, I wish they would do something different with the windows of the Utah Woolen Mills building.

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I really like the before and after of Paragon Station. Looks like almost all the units are taken already. Clearwater has done some good work downtown so far. Hopefully they can keep it up with their upcoming projects.




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Old Posted May 17, 2017, 1:18 PM
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Agree. So much better now. Whoever made the design decision here has excellent taste. Also, I wish there would be a lot more manufacturing imitation of that brick. Really, any of the type and patina of the brick you see on these old buildings or mansions on S. Temple is so much more attractive than a lot of the brick they use now. For example, look at the brick on the old Trolley Sq. vs. the new Whole Foods. The Whole Foods is okay, but lacks the charm of the original brick. Looking at some of the old historic photos of the west side, it would seem that there were a lot of this type of structure at one time. They would be doing the west side of downtown a favor if they used this type of brick more, or say the brick of the Crane building or Daynes. I'm wondering what the Pierpont Apts. is going to end up looking like. Kind of questioning the brick and patina they seem to be choosing, if we go by the renderings.

I loathe that mirrored glass when it's placed on an historic structure like that was. While it's not quite as offensive, I wish they would do something different with the windows of the Utah Woolen Mills building.
There are companies that actually exist that specialize in historic brick production. I needed some brickwork done on my house in Yalecrest a couple years ago and the board of NIMBYs referred me to a company that makes historically contemporary brickwork products.

It's just really expensive.... that's why they don't use it on large or historically insignificant projects.
     
     
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There are companies that actually exist that specialize in historic brick production. I needed some brickwork done on my house in Yalecrest a couple years ago and the board of NIMBYs referred me to a company that makes historically contemporary brickwork products.

It's just really expensive.... that's why they don't use it on large or historically insignificant projects.

Can you post that info please about the brick company? That will save me a lot of headaches.

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I wish they would have been required to put some commercial space in the bottom. There has always been an eating establishment on that corner. Denny's/Taco Time/Subway/North Temple Deli... seems like this part of town just gets more and more boring all the time. On the bright side, at least the LDS church didn't buy it and turn it in to more surface parking.

I'm sure Crown Burger will be the next thing to go... West High will probably buy it and extend their track and field area.

The city should create a tax insensitive plan for the LDS church to develop their property... For each year that the property goes undeveloped the property tax goes up by 10%. Once the property is developed it goes back down to a normal rate. The City should give all land bankers the same incentive.
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I wish they would have been required to put some commercial space in the bottom. There has always been an eating establishment on that corner. Denny's/Taco Time/Subway/North Temple Deli... seems like this part of town just gets more and more boring all the time. On the bright side, at least the LDS church didn't buy it and turn it in to more surface parking.

I'm sure Crown Burger will be the next thing to go... West High will probably buy it and extend their track and field area.

The city should create a tax insensitive plan for the LDS church to develop their property... For each year that the property goes undeveloped the property tax goes up by 10%. Once the property is developed it goes back down to a normal rate. The City should give all land bankers the same incentive.
With that said, the Lds Church has pretty much been the best developer in the city this millennium.
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Old Posted May 17, 2017, 7:06 PM
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The side of the building looks like a parkourist's dream.

I like the aesthetic, but my biggest qualm about this, is that they did not build to 300 West. They allowed surface parking to remain in between.
     
     
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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865680103/Will-the-Wasatch-Front-end-up-like-the-Bay-Area.html

SALT LAKE CITY — Why is housing so expensive in San Francisco? It’s simple. The city doesn’t have enough homes for everyone who wants to live there. Demand is greater than supply; that pushes rents and property values up.

That’s Economics 101. It also explains why, if you live along the Wasatch Front, you may have noticed that friends and neighbors who put their houses up for sale these days don’t have to wait long until the offers start coming. For the first time in decades, this area is facing a housing shortage.

The question is, do we want to become like San Francisco?

I know, the question sounds silly. The Wasatch Front never will rival the Bay Area as a destination or as an economic and cultural center. But that is a separate matter from how San Francisco has managed its housing.

A lot of people choked this week when they read the latest low-income guidelines from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. HUD breaks this down by county. In San Francisco, a family of four earning $105,350 now qualifies for Section 8 housing.

That would be a decent salary here, but when you consider that the median home price there is $1.2 million, this poverty level makes sense.

San Franciscans are fighting over what to do about this. The New York Times recently wrote about Sonja Trauss, a Bay Area activist who founded the SF Bay Area Renters’ Federation, or SFBARF, for short. The group promotes more high-rise construction, whether subsidized or not. But zoning laws and other regulations stand in the way, as do people who think all that construction would ruin the city’s character or make rents even higher.

Blogger Eric Fischer, a developer and data artist, has researched the history of rising rents in San Francisco and calculates it would take an unrealistic 30 percent increase in housing to return them to 1995 levels. Just keeping costs steady would require a 1.5 percent increase, which is asking a lot.

Now consider the Wasatch Front. For the past 40 years, real estate here has had about an 11 percent cushion between supply and demand. Now, growth is booming, led by several successful tech startups and fueled by numerous national publications that rank the area as one of best places to do business.

A 2017 housing forecast by the Salt Lake Board of Realtors said Salt Lake County has its lowest apartment vacancy rate in more than 20 years despite a recent construction boom.

“In the new home market, homebuilders have virtually no unsold inventory and are producing at full capacity,” the forecast said. “Builders face three serious supply bottlenecks: labor shortage, high land prices, and municipal zoning, fees and regulations.

Because of these “bottlenecks,” it would be difficult for construction to go at a faster pace, it said.

But even if it went faster, another problem looms. We’re running out of land. In a recent Deseret News report, an official with Envision Utah said Salt Lake County has about 40,000 acres of developable land left. In Davis County it’s 20,000; Weber County, 40,000; and while Utah County has 240,000, much of that is remote, far from freeways and other transportation outlets.

The other day I got a call from some robot wanting me to answer questions for a poll about issues in South Jordan, where I live. Among the questions was this: Did I think the amount of high-density housing currently in the city was too little, enough or too much? Clearly, cities along the Wasatch Front are beginning to have the same struggles, on a smaller scale, as cities in the Bay Area.

And, just as clearly, the answer should be to remove whatever stands in the way of more construction.

By the way, those HUD figures showed a family of four could earn $60,300 in Salt Lake County and qualify for subsidized housing. That doesn’t approach San Francisco levels, but it’s still fairly high.

With all the talk of a growing homeless population and a desire to preserve the area’s reputation as an inviting place for families, we shouldn’t want it to get much higher.
     
     
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Future location of The Cascade as viewed from the rooftop courtyard of City Creek Apartments. (Looking south).

*Anybody have any updates on when this should break ground?



     
     
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Old Posted May 18, 2017, 2:51 AM
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Future location of The Cascade as viewed from the rooftop courtyard of City Creek Apartments. (Looking south).

*Anybody have any updates on when this should break ground?



Yes, they "broke ground" in 2008. 😂
     
     
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Yes, they "broke ground" in 2008. 😂
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Future location of The Cascade as viewed from the rooftop courtyard of City Creek Apartments. (Looking south).

*Anybody have any updates on when this should break ground?




Probably​ when the other city creek residential projects increase in occupancy. There's no set target date. It would be easy to build though considering that no pile driving would need to be completed, just the structure above ground. I think thats why city creek residential has been so flexible about the construction of the Cascade.

     
     
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Can you post that info please about the brick company? That will save me a lot of headaches.

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The company I used is now out of business (I had renovations done in 2008), but many companies exist that ship reclaimed bricks from old projects: https://www.historicalbricks.com . I think some potters with the proper equipment might actually be willing to make bricks too depending on if they have the correct molds and clays.

I can't get a picture right now seeing as that the sun has set, but the bricks on my house (original from 1919) have a rough surface that looks vertically scored. I think there were also 3 or 4 colors of bricks used on my house. The bricks on my house weren't commerically available so I had to have them custom made (i had to have about 50 bricks made and they cost me ~6 dollars each if I can remember correctly) which would be completely unfeasible for a larger project but I know that some places specialize in bricks that are more in line with earlier production methods and aesthetics. That being said, they're usually found more in the Northeast with older homes and buildings in need of repair.
     
     
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