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Old Posted Apr 19, 2017, 2:17 PM
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The climate is nearly identical in Fargo, it is slightly warmer in the winter, by about 3 or 4° on average, but it also receives more snow. The snow certainly does not melt a month earlier, perhaps a week or two at most. In much of northern Minnesota, esp. as you go further east, it is on the ground longer than in Winnipeg.
The climates in Winnipeg and Dauphin are also almost identical, yet Winnipeg loses its snow cover much earlier.

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The two interstates are funded by the federal government correct, and they are beautiful, but the local streets are in far better condition than they are in Winnipeg. There is something wrong with the methods of construction used here, or perhaps it's just the surfacing materials are of lesser quality.
There's nothing wrong with the method of construction - most streets in Winnipeg have a gravel base, concrete core, and an asphalt finish. Some are simply concrete on gravel (the same as in Fargo) but those don't seem to hold up any better. The ashphalt allows for easier maintenance, as it keeps out the water and allows for easier midlife refurbish.

The problem here is decades of neglect. Those decades have come to and end (for now, and hopefully that continues).

Funding to the US states for infrastructure also goes beyond the interstates. It's also worth considering the extra money that can be dedicated to regional and local roads when you don't have to pay for the intercity ones.

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Fargo is generally cleaner and better maintained than Winnipeg year round. Keep in mind that they do use less sand and gravel and more salt.
Salt is pretty hard on the environment - you won't find me agreeing to using to more than we need.

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The grass on the boulevards is well kept in summer and sidewalks are kept much more free of ice in winter, though this may have much to do with the greater propensity of Americans to litigate and the higher damages which are generally awarded. They have terrible public transportation though, as do the Twin Cities for a metro of 3 million. A car is an absolute necessity. Except in the big northeastern cities, Chicago, San Francisco and Portland, that is much the case in the entire country.
Yes - the boulevards are much nicer. Winnipeg cut that to save money a while back now. it's actually the responsibility of homeowners.

Still, downtown Winnipeg and most of the major routes are kept very clean for half the year. We can always do better.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2017, 2:19 PM
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but Manitoba does have higher rates of violent crime than both of the Dakotas, Minnesota or Iowa.
That is mostly a function of northern reserves - something that Canadian society really needs to come to terms with. The poverty and hopelessness there is truly unbelievable.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2017, 2:23 PM
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The two interstates are funded by the federal government correct, and they are beautiful, but the local streets are in far better condition than they are in Winnipeg. There is something wrong with the methods of construction used here, or perhaps it's just the surfacing materials are of lesser quality.
I'm not sure I agree with you. Sure the whole area around West Acres has near perfect roads but it is essentially new and they always seem to use concrete. Everything south of 13th Ave is new. Every time we go, we always venture downtown, into Moorhead and throughout the neighborhoods and find a lot of their streets are in pretty poor condition, similar to ours.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2017, 2:42 PM
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It does seem like Winnipeg's roads are dirtier and more "grit-filled" in the spring and summer than when I was a teen in the 80s and 90s...or maybe I just noticed those things more as I got older.
I distinctly remember doing the gravel shuffle, kicking up a huge cloud of dust all the way to my elementary school as a kid in the spring time (during the mid 1980s). So IMO, the streets are about the same as always.
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2017, 4:25 AM
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I'm not sure I agree with you. Sure the whole area around West Acres has near perfect roads but it is essentially new and they always seem to use concrete. Everything south of 13th Ave is new. Every time we go, we always venture downtown, into Moorhead and throughout the neighborhoods and find a lot of their streets are in pretty poor condition, similar to ours.
Not saying that there are no potholes or roads that need repair, but in general the local roads in Fargo are in very significantly better condition than they are in Winnipeg. Some residential streets here, esp. in the older areas, are bone-jarring even when driving 30 km/h. I don't recall ever seeing streets in downtown Fargo or the adjacent areas in such rough condition and I too am very familiar with all of the F-M area. My pre-WWI street was fortunately re-surfaced recently for the first time since it was originally paved in the late 40s/early 50s. I do think that the roads are improving in Winnipeg from what they were 10 or so years ago, so that is a good thing.

The area immediately around West Acres dates mainly from the 70s, though west of 45 St and south of 17 Ave you're right, that is all fairly new.

As for grit, gravel and litter, going back decades I remember every spring being roughly the same, some worse than others depending on the severity and length of the preceding winter. At least in my area the amount of litter in the spring is noticibly less since they introduced the garbage and recycling carts as before some of the the recycling would blow out of the blue boxes and the garbage bags would often tear and some of the contents would fall out. Still too many people throwing empty coffee or fast food drink cups out of the car window though. Honestly, just wait until you arrive at your destination and dispose of them properly.
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Sorry, Winnipeg only has 3.5 x as many people as Fargo.

The reality is, they aren't comparable cities.
Your right, one is well run and fiscally responsible to it's citizens, it's infrastructure is well maintained, property taxes are kept low and the other is Winnipeg!
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Your right, one is well run and fiscally responsible to it's citizens, it's infrastructure is well maintained, property taxes are kept low and the other is Winnipeg!
True, that. Their infrastructure looked surprisingly well maintained when it floated through Winnipeg in '97.
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True, that. Their infrastructure looked surprisingly well maintained when it floated through Winnipeg in '97.
Sod turning for the $2.5 billion dollar river diversion around the F-M metro was last week!
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Enough about Fargo.


Back to how dirty our streets are, I'm having a hard time telling which streets have actually been cleaned. I don't know if cleanup crews are doing a worse job than usual, or I'm just more annoyed because they took so long to get started.
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Enough about Fargo.


Back to how dirty our streets are, I'm having a hard time telling which streets have actually been cleaned. I don't know if cleanup crews are doing a worse job than usual, or I'm just more annoyed because they took so long to get started.
I think it's the lack of a good solid rainstorm. There are dust clouds everywhere.

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OK, now someone can step in to tell us how Fargo successfully eradicated dust in 1984.
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true, that. Their infrastructure looked surprisingly well maintained when it floated through winnipeg in '97.
zing!
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2017, 7:31 PM
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Enough about Fargo.


Back to how dirty our streets are, I'm having a hard time telling which streets have actually been cleaned. I don't know if cleanup crews are doing a worse job than usual, or I'm just more annoyed because they took so long to get started.
I think it's more that we lost snow early and everyone is just sick of the mess. It's a mistake to do it before the end of May.
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2017, 7:32 PM
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Sod turning for the $2.5 billion dollar river diversion around the F-M metro was last week!
Only slightly more than half a century after Winnipeg....
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I find the snow clearing and spring cleanups lazy.

Spring clean-up did half of Munroe yesterday night. They go down the street and only clean 1 machine width on the boulevard from the curb. Meanwhile there's an inch of gravel on the sidewalk that remains.

I will undoubtedly be letting 311 know about this after they finish the rest of the street tonight. Snow clearing is no better. Let's see if the spring cleanup crews removes the strips of sod the snow clearing crews left behind!!
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2017, 8:37 PM
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I think it's more that we lost snow early and everyone is just sick of the mess. It's a mistake to do it before the end of May.
Why not just leave it all year, since we'll just have to clean up again anyway.


A lot of people visit the city in April and it looks like absolute garbage. People in this city have no sense of civic self-awareness.
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Does anyone know when the Garry street bike lane is getting started? I believe they are going with the 2 lanes, both directions, on Garry. I would have preferred to have two one way lanes - one on Fort and one on Garry - but one step at a time.


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Why not just leave it all year, since we'll just have to clean up again anyway.


A lot of people visit the city in April and it looks like absolute garbage. People in this city have no sense of civic self-awareness.
I was behind a van on Westminster yesterday and watched the passenger throw their garbage right out the window as they rounded the corner. I seriously wanted to chase them down and say what the — is the matter with you? I had to get back to work though so maybe it was for the best. You don't know what that could turn into nowadays.
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Civic Spring cleanup usually takes ~4 weeks.

They just started this week. So looking forward, they will finish approx. nearest to the Long Weekend in May.

So until then, everybody be chillin'.

To compare, I just started raking leaves last Thurs. & Friday.
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Why not just leave it all year, since we'll just have to clean up again anyway.


A lot of people visit the city in April and it looks like absolute garbage. People in this city have no sense of civic self-awareness.
The chance of a large snow storm and or cold snap needing a large amount of sand is very likely in early April.
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Civic Spring cleanup usually takes ~4 weeks.

They just started this week. So looking forward, they will finish approx. nearest to the Long Weekend in May.

So until then, everybody be chillin'.

To compare, I just started raking leaves last Thurs. & Friday.
More like 5-6 weeks for the entire city.
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