YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Thanks Zahav.

Europe is a bit concerning, I don't know why it is down so much, I can't think of any services have cut seats to last winter, so it must be lower loads which is concerning.

Other than that those numbers are incredible. 22% to Asia is crazy huge, and given the capacity growth on the sector through the summer, likely to stay high.

SFU I doubt Europe will come roaring back, there is only an additional 4% capacity to the region over S16 so there isn't a ton of room for growth. Add in the crazy low fare competition that is happening in the US and Eastern Canada and I don't think we're going to see much Euro growth over the next 18 months.

Being the forever half glass full guy... if you actually calculate it out Europe is down by only 72 departing pax per day... so it's not technically "down so much." Partly due to KLM down one flight per week for capacity losses. Also potentially the direct DEL flight most certainly will have siphoned off a few travellers flying via Europe. So I wouldn't get toooooo excited about it.

Overall total international is up almost 110,000 pax compared to Jan 2016... of that only 30,000 is transborder increase... now THAT is impressive!

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Here in Europe, the unemployment rate is generally high, and national budgets are under strain from various sources, like the impending Brexit, financing the refugee influx,
and the outsourcing of much of the manufacturing sector to Asia. A lot of people, in most domains, are feeling the pinch.
That could be a big part of it, but why it dropped off so abruptly, I don't know.

Hmm I don't mean to slag your continent, but Europe has been an absolute basketcase since 07' so I highly doubt the economy over there has much to do with a YoY decrease.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Being the forever half glass full guy... if you actually calculate it out Europe is down by only 72 departing pax per day... so it's not technically "down so much." Partly due to KLM down one flight per week for capacity losses. Also potentially the direct DEL flight most certainly will have siphoned off a few travellers flying via Europe. So I wouldn't get toooooo excited about it. Overall international is up over 100,000 pax compared to Jan 2016... now THAT is impressive!

Oh absolutely the numbers are incredible and don't take my tone for that of anything other than impressed.

I didn't know KLM was flying an additional flight per week last winter, that helps bite into the difference (244 of the 504 seat decrease per week). And ya I hope DEL is pulling flyers from EUR and not just flying empty!

BTW never thought of you as the glass half full guy, that's more trofirhen, but methinks his cup overflowith...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Oh absolutely the numbers are incredible and don't take my tone for that of anything other than impressed.

BTW never thought of you as the glass half full guy, that's more trofirhen, but methinks his cup overflowith...

YVR domestic > YYC domestic in January for the first time in years.

Also YVR's international growth in January is much larger than YUL's so solidifying YVR's position as Canada's second largest port of entry.

AA is also putting mainline on one of the two daily LAX flights for the month of
May. Whether that continues or not is another day's news tidbit. The morning departure will operate with a 319 instead of an E75.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Hmm I don't mean to slag your continent, but Europe has been an absolute basketcase since 07' so I highly doubt the economy over there has much to do with a YoY decrease.


BTW never thought of you as the glass half full guy, that's more trofirhen, but methinks his cup overflowith...

True about the economy here, but it's getting even worse.
Also, what's this about me being the glass half full guy, and my cup overflowing?

[Reecemartin]

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[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

I've always been curious so figured I may as well post. Are there any plans to build a significantly larger Parkade at YVR in the near future, obviously Seatac sees a lot more traffic than YVR however the difference in garage size IS NOT proportional.

In his Board of Trade speeech recently, Craig rochmond explicityly described how the current YVR parkade would be expanded on a lare scale - to almost twice what it is now, upcoming .

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YVR domestic > YYC domestic in January for the first time in years.

Also YVR's international growth in January is much larger than YUL's so solidifying YVR's position as Canada's second largest port of entry.

AA is also putting mainline on one of the two daily LAX flights for the month of
May. Whether that continues or not is another day's news tidbit. The morning departure will operate with a 319 instead of an E75.

Crazy stat about domestic, there was a time I never thought we would catch YYC domestic again.

If YVR keeps the past 14 months of nearly 10% growth up for the year, (which of course is wildly dependent on domestic flows), that would put YVR damn near 25 million. Craig and the team better get cracking on that terminal expansion!

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Crazy stat about domestic, there was a time I never thought we would catch YYC domestic again.

If YVR keeps the past 14 months of nearly 10% growth up for the year, (which of course is wildly dependent on domestic flows), that would put YVR damn near 25 million. Craig and the team better get cracking on that terminal expansion!

So awesome

[sunsetmountainland]

Competition heats up on Vancouver – Hong Kong route with arrival of Hong Kong Airlines

Low-cost carrier Hong Kong Airlines is turning up the heat on pricing after it announced daily lift-offs between Vancouver and Hong Kong with introductory fares that start as low as $750 plus taxes peak season round-trip and dropping as low as $500 plus taxes in the off-peak late summer season.

http://www.travelweek.ca/news/competitio...g-kong-route-arrival-hong-kong-airlines/

[mezzanine]

IIRC the expansion priorities are:

"The top four projects are international terminal expansion, so four more gates for international flights, three more gates for trans border and U.S. flights, and then a new sustainable energy central heating plant, backup generators and a new parking structure," Ehrenholz said.

If you look at the BoT presentation, (go to 34 min mark) it looks like the surface lot between the multistory parkade to the petrocanada will be used.

[POCO]

Originally Posted by sunsetmountainland

http://www.travelweek.ca/news/competitio...g-kong-route-arrival-hong-kong-airlines/

Great because the AC/CX "competition" on that route is laughable. I have a couple of short haul flights in Asia over the next couple of months with Hong Kong Airlines I'm interested to see how they are. I'm basically expecting Asian WestJet.

[zahav]

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but Hing Kong Airlines will switch to A350 in August (debuting in June with A330). So CI, CX, and HX will fly A350s. Good news for sure!

http://www.straight.com/life/877851/hong...couver-launch-first-north-american-route

[excel]

Nice that's awesome.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by zahav

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but Hing Kong Airlines will switch to A350 in August (debuting in June with A330). So CI, CX, and HX will fly A350s. Good news for sure!

http://www.straight.com/life/877851/hong...couver-launch-first-north-american-route

It was always rumoured so good to hear it somewhat confirmed by the airline itself.

[SFUVancouver]

That's pretty cool news about a third A350 route. I wonder if YVR is going to do a "year of the A350" campaign like they did with the 787? Incidentally, calling the 787 the "Dreamliner" was a stroke of marketing genius. A350 is aggressively boring by comparison, despite being another significant advance for commercial aviation.

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

That's pretty cool news about a third A350 route. I wonder if YVR us going to do a "year of the A350" campaign like they did with the 787. Incidentally, calling the 787 the "Dreamliner" was a stroke of marketing genius. A350 is aggressively boring by comparison, despite being another significant advance for commercial aviation.

The "Dreamliner" moniker, although genius, kind of backfired during all the battery fire issues with early 787's. Airbus' rather muted tone probably worked better IMO, as the A350 launch and initial deliveries went without a hitch. Like the A321, the A350 will be a slow-burn but will likely be one of the most successful and respected widebodies in history. It's already getting very high praise for it comfortable 9-abreast Y configurations and it's exceptionally quite ride.

[sacrifice333]

Originally Posted by connect2source

It's already getting very high praise for it comfortable 9-abreast Y configurations and it's exceptionally quite ride.

Except the move to 10-abreast has already started on these orders...

[twoNeurons]

It's a ways out, but I wonder if we'll get a HNL-YVR route on Hawaiian Airlines Metal when they get their A321neos later this year.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by sacrifice333

Except the move to 10-abreast has already started on these orders...

Ugh 16.8" width on the A350XWB at 10-abreast. That's worse than a 9-abreast 787 which I believe is just over 17".

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by sacrifice333

Except the move to 10-abreast has already started on these orders...

Don't think this will get much traction, if anything it will be similar to those airlines who made A330's 9 abreast which were only a select few high-density tour and charter carriers, Transat being one of them.

Air Caraibes and one other French tour operator are the only 10 abreast operators for the A350 to date.