YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[excel]

Nice! I remember flying JAL from YVR-MEX when I was a kid. Pretty sure it was my first 747.

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by excel

Nice! I remember flying JAL from YVR-MEX when I was a kid. Pretty sure it was my first 747.

Me too. We'd take that flight 4 or 5 times a year to visit family in Mexico. JAL's 747s were fantastic.

My grandma still has some of the down feather mini pillows from those flights lol

[trofirhen]

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[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

not sure if LHR has a use it or lose it clause (I'm sure they do) but not sure if you can keep a slot idle for a short period of time

Yes they do have a usage policy. Use it 80% of the time or lose it I believe.

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

But we still don't know what AC is going to do with it's extra LHR slot do we?

Seems like an incredible waste to not use it. Can they lease it to another airliner?

If you can sell it, then you probably can lease it out too. Dont have a concrete example though.
However since there is a "use it or lose it" policy, better make sure the airline you lease it out to uses the slot.

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Ya I wouldn't anticipate a new YVR-LHR route announcement for S17, I just figured we would have heard they sold or leased it to someone by now. Those things are literally worth millions.

Highest I've heard is US$75 millon for a single slot pair. (Primetime morning)

[Cage]

Originally Posted by nname

Maybe they took a gamble and sold the slot for $$$$, and hope to buy it back for cheap after the 3rd runway is built (if that ever happens)

AC was leasing a couple of slot pairs from UA for Many years, then a few years back, AC quietly bought the slots from UA.

Here is the announcement where UA will bring a new 6th daily Sumer only service on EWR-LHR. http://www.incentivetravel.co.uk/airport...ow-new-york-frequency-to-six-times-daily

While the time don't necessarily line up on the LHR end, AC, UA and LH will trade amongst themselves to deprive the competing alliances from getting a hold of the slot. The ATI++ joint venture allows for these inherently anticompetitive actions to be legal.

[fredinno]

Is there space for a major runway on the north side on Sea Island? If not, it might be a better idea to rezone it industrial and connect a rail spur to it- so that industry can unload cargo directly onto the planes- and at the Ioco ferry if it's ever built

[Genauso]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Is there space for a major runway on the north side on Sea Island? If not, it might be a better idea to rezone it industrial and connect a rail spur to it- so that industry can unload cargo directly onto the planes- and at the Ioco ferry if it's ever built

Bulk cargo doesn't get flown, containers arrive by truck and have security/customs inspection procedures.

If you want to learn about YVR's future options with some background, they run a very tight ship http://www.yvr2037.ca/

[Reecemartin]

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[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Genauso

Bulk cargo doesn't get flown, containers arrive by truck and have security/customs inspection procedures.

If you want to learn about YVR's future options with some background, they run a very tight ship http://www.yvr2037.ca/

I know, the idea is more for special cargo, and for a future Iona Ferry, along with some close-in industrial land without destroying ALR.

Airplanes use smaller containers than the normal cargo size.

It's right by the ocean as well, depending on the boat sizes, maybe we could drop cargo into the North Arm in boats?

Also, if Airships take off to replace helicopters in remote transport, they could carry full-sized cargo.

Also, rail coming near the Airport could allow for some integration and cargo flights.

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

What are the plans for YVR in regards to sea level rise, isn't sea island basically already at sea level? With the West Antarctic sheet in much worse conditions than were expected for a long time we could sea a lot of sea level rise sooner than expected, compounded with soil inundation and furthered earthquake risk Id hope they have somewhat extensive mitigation plans.

Simple, it would truly fit its name of Sea Island

[Reecemartin]

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[gordoninvancouver]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

What are the plans for YVR in regards to sea level rise, isn't sea island basically already at sea level? With the West Antarctic sheet in much worse conditions than were expected for a long time we could sea a lot of sea level rise sooner than expected, compounded with soil inundation and furthered earthquake risk Id hope they have somewhat extensive mitigation plans.

Likely they have some plans, I saw some information about raising dykes. However if you search Vancouver Sea Level Data and look at the statistics you will see that sea level rise here is on a pace of about 10 cm per century. Or an inch every 3 decades. So maybe a problem some day but even if the rate of rise triples not a problem for the next few decades.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by gordoninvancouver

Likely they have some plans, I saw some information about raising dykes. However if you search Vancouver Sea Level Data and look at the statistics you will see that sea level rise here is on a pace of about 10 cm per century. Or an inch every 3 decades. So maybe a problem some day but even if the rate of rise triples not a problem for the next few decades.

Really, since big tsunamis and tropical storms aren't going to come near Vancouver until maybe 2100, the main loss is the steady erosion of the Fraser River Banks.

Is it worth it to build a seawall- especially since doing so would hopefully protect the structural integrity of DeltaPort? I mean, those things would be pretty expensive.

[Reecemartin]

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[zahav]

Jan stats are posted. Overall growth at 9.4%, very nice! Domestic up 5.6%, T-Border up 7.4%, Asia/Pacific up 22.4%, and Misc. up 27.1%. Amazing growth for Asia and Misc, those are amazingly high #s! Europe down 5.9% though, this is a second month of that. I wonder what the deal is! The other sectors are more than keeping things up though, international (inc. tborder) is up 13% still. With international growth more than double domestic, the split is now 47% domestic, 53% international. Great way to start the year I'd say!

[nname]

Air Canada intend to discontinue direct service YVR-YMM

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/2017-a-27

[nname]

Originally Posted by zahav

Europe down 5.9% though, this is a second month of that. I wonder what the deal is!

Reduction of YVR-AMS to 4x weekly?

[Gordon]

I wonder how the construction of Pier F will impact the operation of the east apron holdroom( gates 90-96)?

It will be interesting to see if West jet intends to go daily with yvr ymm

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by zahav

Jan stats are posted. Overall growth at 9.4%, very nice! Domestic up 5.6%, T-Border up 7.4%, Asia/Pacific up 22.4%, and Misc. up 27.1%. Amazing growth for Asia and Misc, those are amazingly high #s! Europe down 5.9% though, this is a second month of that. I wonder what the deal is! The other sectors are more than keeping things up though, international (inc. tborder) is up 13% still. With international growth more than double domestic, the split is now 47% domestic, 53% international. Great way to start the year I'd say!

Thanks for the news and summary of the details. Those are very solid numbers, and we're talking year over year on a blockbuster 2016. The dip in Europe doesn't surprise me terribly and I expect that it will come roaring back as we get into spring.

[LeftCoaster]

Thanks Zahav.

Europe is a bit concerning, I don't know why it is down so much, I can't think of any services have cut seats to last winter, so it must be lower loads which is concerning.

Other than that those numbers are incredible. 22% to Asia is crazy huge, and given the capacity growth on the sector through the summer, likely to stay high.

SFU I doubt Europe will come roaring back, there is only an additional 4% capacity to the region over S16 so there isn't a ton of room for growth. Add in the crazy low fare competition that is happening in the US and Eastern Canada and I don't think we're going to see much Euro growth over the next 18 months.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Thanks Zahav.

Europe is a bit concerning, I don't know why it is down so much, I can't think of any services have cut seats to last winter, so it must be lower loads which is concerning. .........


SFU I doubt Europe will come roaring back, there is only an additional 4% capacity to the region over S16 so there isn't a ton of room for growth. Add in the crazy low fare competition that is happening in the US and Eastern Canada and I don't think we're going to see much Euro growth over the next 18 months.

Here in Europe, the unemployment rate is generally high, and national budgets are under strain from various sources, like the impending Brexit, financing the refugee influx,
and the outsourcing of much of the manufacturing sector to Asia. A lot of people, in most domains, are feeling the pinch.
That could be a big part of it, but why it dropped off so abruptly, I don't know.