PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by Gonzo the Great

Ok , thank you for bringing me up to speed and obviously I am wrong about who is and who isn't providing " good " paying positions for qualified
personnel seeking life long , pension oriented careers . This is where I was heading when I made my ill informed statement about middle / upper
middle salary that are not directly connected to the finance / medical / education fields of endeavor . My ineffective point was , there are tons of
other really decent financially rewarding careers here , and Philly ( or any urban center ) should not pigeon hole it's talent into a limited category
of opportunities ..... Your statement and my attempt proves ( at least to my narrow minded thinking ) that disregarding or down playing the
manufacturing / production equation is paramount to shooting yourself in the foot ....... BTW , below is a list of some of the salaried positions your
firm provides ..... not bad ..... not bad at all .

Aker Philadelphia Shipyard Salaries
Updated October 19, 2016
16 salaries (for 12 job titles)

Gonzo, I didn't mean all manufacturing jobs are low paying and obsolete. There are obviously very good paying manufacturing jobs - most of those still exist in the US today.

The jobs you - and many others are complaining are gone - were usually low-wage to mid-wage jobs at best, especially by today's standards.

A lot of these jobs: product and food packaging, assembly lines for clothing production, etc. etc. have been replaced by machines and robots. Other human labor jobs still needed have been moved to Mexico or overseas because of the cost of labor in the US. These other countries are offering the same labor for much much lower costs.

There is obviously still a need for manufacturing jobs; but they're not at the same level of necessity they once were. A lot of positions have been rendered obsolete by advances in technology. Why have 20 people packaging a product for $25 an hour plus benefits, when you can have one machine do it? For 99% less the cost, and little to no error?

PS - crane operators, construction workers, etc. are not labeled as manufacturing jobs by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. They are listed as just what they are: Construction jobs. There will also be a need for construction jobs.

[TempleGuy1000]

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[1487]

Business related commentary.

http://thephiladelphiacitizen.org/jim-kenney-economic-growth-plan/

I generally find Platt to be disconnected from reality in so many ways. Many good ideas here but he places ZERO onus on the business community or the area universities for being uninvolved politically or otherwise in advocating for solutions or backing people who are "business friendly". Building a friendly coalition in City Hall isn't a spectator sport but people like Platt don't get it and they just write and write and write without delivering any results. They sit back quietly only to start bitching when a bill is about to be passed. Sorry, but Kenney's #1 big idea should be something other than pushing for high speed rail to NYC. He has bigger fish to fry closer to home. Typical of thinking for folks like Platt the primary attribute of Philadelphia is focused on NYC.

[summersm343]

Children's Hospital of Philadelphia Buerger Center

Anybody know what's happening at the Buerger Center when CHOP just built in University City? Looks like a tower crane has been erected on the building. Are they adding floors already?

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Children's Hospital of Philadelphia Buerger Center

Anybody know what's happening at the Buerger Center when CHOP just built in University City? Looks like a tower crane has been erected on the building. Are they adding floors already?

Somebody else posted about that the other day. They had the same question. Whatever the case may be, the healthcare sector being what it is, I don't think we'll have to wait as long as some think for the CHOP complex on the other side of the river to start Phase II.

[tsarstruck]

Originally Posted by 1487

Business related commentary.

http://thephiladelphiacitizen.org/jim-kenney-economic-growth-plan/

I generally find Platt to be disconnected from reality in so many ways. Many good ideas here but he places ZERO onus on the business community or the area universities for being uninvolved politically or otherwise in advocating for solutions or backing people who are "business friendly". Building a friendly coalition in City Hall isn't a spectator sport but people like Platt don't get it and they just write and write and write without delivering any results. They sit back quietly only to start bitching when a bill is about to be passed. Sorry, but Kenney's #1 big idea should be something other than pushing for high speed rail to NYC. He has bigger fish to fry closer to home. Typical of thinking for folks like Platt the primary attribute of Philadelphia is focused on NYC.

There is so very much to hate in that article. The nonsense about the ROI on pre-K (um, study after study has held up investments in pre-K as some of the highest bang for the buck possible), the nonsense about Uber selecting Pittsburgh (it was because of Carnegie Mellon, you dolt), putting responsibility for advocating for high-speed rail on the mayor, the completely nonsensical "Solutions in Lieu of Taxes" (this has to a be a joke, right? Actually, is all of The Philadelphia Citizen a joke?). Philly should fix their tax structure. End of story.

[jsbrook]

Originally Posted by mja

What do you mean by affluent? I know tons of double-income professionals that I would in no way term "affluent" with 2+ kids who elected to stay in the city. In fact, I fit exactly into that category. Mind you, I did well to purchase a loft in 2003 and that's helped me stay in the city, but I'd be in the city regardless, just in less big of a house.

Many do go back to the suburbs but the increase in middle class families with 2+ children who decide to stay in the city is the reason why it's pretty much impossible to get into schools like Penn Alexander, Meredith, Greenfield, & McCall these days if you don't live in those catchments, whereas even 5 years ago that wasn't the case.

I've obviously not saying this is categorically true or that my social circle is representative of the city at large. I'm just saying what my experience has been. In my group, those who have stayed have pretty sweet places. And others who like the city might have stayed were deterred by space and quality of life benefits in the suburbs.

[jsbrook]

Originally Posted by 1487

Most people like myself would only move if they were in a totally untenable school or neighborhood crime situation.

You cannot purport to speak for "most people" anymore then I (or anyone else) can. You can relay your experience and views. That's it. Anecdotal evidence is useful but only goes so far. Comprehensive, largescale surveys are better. And systematic, well-designed study is better still.

[Gonzo the Great]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Gonzo, I didn't mean all manufacturing jobs are low paying and obsolete. There are obviously very good paying manufacturing jobs - most of those still exist in the US today.

PS - crane operators, construction workers, etc. are not labeled as manufacturing jobs by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. They are listed as just what they are: Construction jobs. There will also be a need for construction jobs.

First , thank you for reading and responding to my post . Forgive my neandertholic attempt to disseminate job classifications .
Shit , even " I " recognize the difference between Operator assist telephones and voice activated cell equipment .

I promise this is my last endeavor at a failed exercise ...... no matter how much it hurts

I am not going into any details here , however most of my employment career centered around federal and civilian agencies that
strongly depended on sophisticated , reliable , mechanical / electrical scientific , design , developing & manufacturing skills .

The personell involved were and are compensated generously , both with currency and benefits ..... Please , not to be confused
with assembly line employees or alike ..... Yes , I am aware that their skills are just as required , only in a different venue ....

[1487]

Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

Somebody else posted about that the other day. They had the same question. Whatever the case may be, the healthcare sector being what it is, I don't think we'll have to wait as long as some think for the CHOP complex on the other side of the river to start Phase II.

i looked for permit info and it seems they are adding a 13th floor penthouse space with HVAC equipment that will serve the top floors of the building. Also mentions adding a few elevators.

[1487]

Originally Posted by jsbrook

You cannot purport to speak for "most people" anymore then I (or anyone else) can. You can relay your experience and views. That's it. Anecdotal evidence is useful but only goes so far. Comprehensive, largescale surveys are better. And systematic, well-designed study is better still.

That's obvious. My point is the idea that only "well off" people (and presumably folks too poor to leave) stay in Philly with kids is a highly inaccurate.

[Larry King]

I think the hand wringing over the quality of our public schools is overblown. There's plenty of good public schools in the city, especially at the elementary level. People that actually want to be here figure it out, many don't want to and that's fine but no need to pretend that all of our schools are inadequate for the children of educated middle class people. Not to mention all the great quaker and catholic schools.

[summersm343]

Philadelphia Region's Top Public High Schools 2017
*Pennsylvania side of the metro only

1. Julia R. Masterman High School - Philadelphia, PA
2. Downingtown STEM Academy - Downingtown, PA
3. Conestoga High School - Berwyn, PA
4. Radnor High School - Villanova, PA
5. Unionville High School - Kennett Square, PA
6. Strath Haven High School - Wallingford, PA
7. Lower Merion High School - Ardmore, PA
8. Central Bucks High School East - Doylestown, PA
9. New Hope-Solebury High School - New Hope, PA
10. Central High School - Philadelphia, PA
11. Great Valley High School - Malvern, PA
12. Haverford High School - Havertown, PA
13. Wissahickon High School - Ambler, PA
14. Harriton High School - Bryn Mawr, PA
15. Penncrest High School - Media, PA
16. Spring-Ford Senior High School - Royersford, PA
17. Lower Moreland High School - Huntingdon Valley, PA
18. North Penn Senior High School - Lansdale, PA
19. West Chester Bayard Rustin High School - West Chester, PA
20. Plymouth Whitemarsh - Plymouth Meeting, PA
21. Council Rock North Senior High School - Newtown, PA
22. Methacton High School - Eagleville, PA
23. East Senior High School - West Chester, PA
24. Central Bucks High School South - Warrington, PA
25. Central Bucks High School West - Doylestown, PA
26. Owen J. Roberts High School - Pottstown, PA
27. Upper Dublin High School - Fort Washington, PA
28. Henderson High School - West Chester, PA
29. Garnet Valley High School - Glen Mills, PA
30. Perkiomen Valley High School - Collegeville, PA
31. Upper Merion High School - King of Prussia, PA
32. Council Rock South High School - Southampton, PA
33. Kennett High School - Kennett Square, PA
34. Hatboro-Horsham High School - Horsham, PA
35. Springfield High School - Springfield, PA
36. Avon Grove Senior High School - West Grove, PA
37. Abington High School - Abington, PA
38. Pennsbury High School - Fairless Hills, PA
39. Quakertown Community High School - Quakertown, PA
40. Marple Newtown High School - Newtown Square, PA
41. Souderton Area High School - Souderton, PA
42. Cheltenham High School - Wyncote, PA
43. Springfield Township High School - Glenside, PA
44. Downtingtown High School West - Downingtown, PA
45. Phoenixville High School - Phoenixville, PA
46. Palisades High School - Kintnersville, PA
47. Science Leadership Academy - Philadelphia, PA
48. Carver High School - Philadelphia, PA
49. Neshaminy High School - Langhorne, PA
50. Downingtown High School East - Exton, PA

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[summersm343]

Philadelphia Region's Top Private Schools 2017 (PA & NJ)

1. Germantown Friends Academy - Philadelphia, PA
2. The Episcopal Academy - Newtown Square, PA
3. The Haverford School - Haverford, PA
4. The Baldwin School - Bryn Mawr, PA
5. The Agnes Irwin School - Rosemont, PA
6. Friends' Central Select - Wynnewood, PA
7. George School - Newtown, PA
8. The Shipley School - Bryn Mawr, PA
9. Germantown Academy - Fort Washington, PA
10. William Penn Charter School - Philadelphia, PA
11. Devon Preparatory School - Devon, PA
12. Friends Select - Philadelphia, PA
13. Moorestown Friends School - Moorestown, NJ
14. Abington Friends School - Jenkintown, PA
15. Springside Chestnut Hill Academy - Philadelphia, PA
16. Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy - Bryn Mawr, PA
17. Doane Academy - Burlington, NJ
18. Malvern Preparatory School - Malvern, PA
19. St. Joseph's Preparatory School - Philadelphia, PA
20. Academy of Notre Dame de Namur - Villanova, PA
21. Holy Ghost Preparatory School - Bensalem, PA
22. La Salle College High School - Wyndmoore, PA
23. Al Aqsa Islamic Academy - Philadelphia, PA
24. Mount Saint Joseph Academy - Flourtown, PA
25. Villa Maria Academy High School - Malvern, PA
26. AIM Academy - Conshohocken, PA
27. Country Day School of the Sacred Heart - Bryn Mawr, PA
28. Bishop Eustace Preparatory School - Pennsauken, NJ
29. Phil-Mont Christian Academy - Erdenheim, PA
30. Nazareth Academy High School - Philadelphia, PA
31. Merion Mercy Academy - Merion Station, PA
32. Hope Church School - Philadelphia, PA
33. Academy of the New Church - Boys School - Bryn Athyn, PA
34. Valley Force Military Academy & College - Wayne, PA
35. Academy of the New Church - Girls School - Bryn Athyn, PA
36. Christopher Dock Mennonite High School - Lansdale, PA
37. The Phelps School - Malvern, PA
38. Delaware County Christian School - Newtown Square, PA
39. Delaware Valley Friends School - Paoli, PA
40. Baptist Regional School - Haddon Heights, NJ
41. Gwynedd Mercy Academy High School - Gwynedd Valley, PA
42. Villa Joseph Marie High School - Holland, PA
43. Saint Basil Academy - Jenkintown, PA
44. The Crefeld School - Philadelphia, PA
45. The Woodlynde School - Strafford, PA
46. Camden Catholic High School - Cherry Hill, NJ
47. Gloucester County Christian School - Sewell, NJ
48. Archbishop Wood High School - Warminster, PA
49. International Christian High School - Philadelphia, PA
50. The Christian Academy - Brookhaven, PA

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/...h-schools-in-metro-philadelphia.html#g50

[summersm343]

I see plenty of schooling options for those who want to remain in Philadelphia. For Elementary schools, Masterman, Greenfield, Penn Alexander, McCall, Meredith, etc. are all good options.

[Flyers2001]

Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

Somebody else posted about that the other day. They had the same question. Whatever the case may be, the healthcare sector being what it is, I don't think we'll have to wait as long as some think for the CHOP complex on the other side of the river to start Phase II.

Shouldn't have to wait long. I know for a fact CHOP has explored the idea of knocking down the Sea Shore House and Wood Center to Expand the Hospital.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by 1487

This could be shocking to many but there are many families with kids with "good" jobs that still live in Philly- the city is larger than Greater CC. There is a world out there and while many seem to discount any residents who don't live in or near the core (like myself) these are important tax paying constituents. Some don't want to move, some work for the city and cannot move, some could move but think doing so would put a financial strain on their household. I most definitely make enough money to move outside of the city, but doing so would mean increased mortgage, huge increase in property taxes, more gas usage and getting a mandatory 2nd car. All of that so I could put my kids in a homogenous "good" school that won't guarantee they will become Harvard enrolees down the road. Most people like myself would only move if they were in a totally untenable school or neighborhood crime situation.

Thank you.

Whenever this debate starts, I think, "here we go".

It's as if nobody anywhere has raised a successful child in any city anywhere.

It's like when you watch an episode of House Hunters International that profiles an American couple moving abroad for the first time. Inevitably, it's a suburban American family who has never even considered the thought of moving into a (American) city, and now finds themselves in Amsterdam, and is like, "OH. WE WANT AN AUTHENTIC DUTCH EXPERIENCE". "WE HAVE TO LIVE IN AMSTERDAM". Cue the wife, who inevitably laments what her precious suburban children are going to do without a huge yard. And the small appliances!!! HOW WILL WE NOT STARVE? And the canals? OH. JUNIOR IS GOING TO DROWN. HOW WILL THE CHILDREN SURVIVE.

The same as the millions of children who preceded them somehow unscathed and will continue to do so for the next millennia when you are gone from this earth.

Bye, Becky. Bye.

[jsbrook]

Originally Posted by 1487

That's obvious. My point is the idea that only "well off" people (and presumably folks too poor to leave) stay in Philly with kids is a highly inaccurate.

Yes, I know. But that wasn't what I said. My point was -- as clear in context and the posts I was responding to -- is that cities always have a sizable population that's going to leave for the suburbs once their families start to expand. For school or other reasons (simply space and what your money gets you being some). Philly is not particularly different in that respect. And while there are things we can improve, like the schools, we are never going to eliminate significant outflow to the suburbs. As we are now seeing, a lot of those people are coming back once kids are out of the house.

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Philadelphia Region's Top Private Schools 2017 (PA & NJ)

1. Germantown Friends Academy - Philadelphia, PA
2. The Episcopal Academy - Newtown Square, PA
3. The Haverford School - Haverford, PA
4. The Baldwin School - Bryn Mawr, PA
5. The Agnes Irwin School - Rosemont, PA
6. Friends' Central Select - Wynnewood, PA
7. George School - Newtown, PA
8. The Shipley School - Bryn Mawr, PA
9. Germantown Academy - Fort Washington, PA
10. William Penn Charter School - Philadelphia, PA
11. Devon Preparatory School - Devon, PA
12. Friends Select - Philadelphia, PA
13. Moorestown Friends School - Moorestown, NJ
14. Abington Friends School - Jenkintown, PA
15. Springside Chestnut Hill Academy - Philadelphia, PA
16. Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy - Bryn Mawr, PA
17. Doane Academy - Burlington, NJ
18. Malvern Preparatory School - Malvern, PA
19. St. Joseph's Preparatory School - Philadelphia, PA
20. Academy of Notre Dame de Namur - Villanova, PA
21. Holy Ghost Preparatory School - Bensalem, PA
22. La Salle College High School - Wyndmoore, PA
23. Al Aqsa Islamic Academy - Philadelphia, PA
24. Mount Saint Joseph Academy - Flourtown, PA
25. Villa Maria Academy High School - Malvern, PA
26. AIM Academy - Conshohocken, PA
27. Country Day School of the Sacred Heart - Bryn Mawr, PA
28. Bishop Eustace Preparatory School - Pennsauken, NJ
29. Phil-Mont Christian Academy - Erdenheim, PA
30. Nazareth Academy High School - Philadelphia, PA
31. Merion Mercy Academy - Merion Station, PA
32. Hope Church School - Philadelphia, PA
33. Academy of the New Church - Boys School - Bryn Athyn, PA
34. Valley Force Military Academy & College - Wayne, PA
35. Academy of the New Church - Girls School - Bryn Athyn, PA
36. Christopher Dock Mennonite High School - Lansdale, PA
37. The Phelps School - Malvern, PA
38. Delaware County Christian School - Newtown Square, PA
39. Delaware Valley Friends School - Paoli, PA
40. Baptist Regional School - Haddon Heights, NJ
41. Gwynedd Mercy Academy High School - Gwynedd Valley, PA
42. Villa Joseph Marie High School - Holland, PA
43. Saint Basil Academy - Jenkintown, PA
44. The Crefeld School - Philadelphia, PA
45. The Woodlynde School - Strafford, PA
46. Camden Catholic High School - Cherry Hill, NJ
47. Gloucester County Christian School - Sewell, NJ
48. Archbishop Wood High School - Warminster, PA
49. International Christian High School - Philadelphia, PA
50. The Christian Academy - Brookhaven, PA

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/...h-schools-in-metro-philadelphia.html#g50

Damn, only 19th?

[Jawnadelphia]

One Franklin Plaza conversion continues:

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