Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 4

[Comrade]

It is bad and it's not improving anymore. We've stagnated the last 15 years. We can do better. We should do better. Yes, we're at a disadvantage being located in a valley - but as we continue to grow, we must rise up to the challenges we face, not retreat because, gosh, the inversion just happens.

[asies1981]

More data on housing in Salt Lake, scroll to the last few paragraphs for a fun surprise in how Salt Lake compares to other cities in current growth.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Of course you can't stop the inversion. But too many people use that as an excuse for the pollution. Despite that graph, improvement in air quality has completely stagnated the last 15 years.



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/86562...on-in-35-years-and-what-it-tells-us.html

That chart shows a vastly different story. You could say we've stagnated the past five years, maybe, but that chart shows the air has gotten better than it was 6-10 years ago.

[Merewether]

Project "to build a desirable urban district to live, work and play" in Salt Lake City and South Salt Lake.
Public workshop Feb. 9 6-8pm at SLCC South City campus

https://www.lifeonstate.com/

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Stenar

That chart shows a vastly different story. You could say we've stagnated the past five years, maybe, but that chart shows the air has gotten better than it was 6-10 years ago.

Yes and it's either wrong or not telling the whole story.

The improvement has largely stagnated the last 15 years.

[Highrise_Mike]

Originally Posted by Viperlord

I found out a bit more information regarding the Patrinely Group project.....

Project Description:
Block 22
Applicant is requesting to construct 2 office buildings and one parking garage.

that may explain one of the reasons why there are so many parking stalls within the parking garage, plus probably more parking for the grand & little america hotels. There is still no word yet on how much sq.ft. of office space will be developed per this development yet. Patrinely has a history of doing fairly large projects, so two office buildings and a large parking garage seems to follow their development pattern.

Office space parking ratios are anywhere between 2 stalls per 1,000 sq.ft. and 4 stalls per 1,000 sq.ft.

222 main is about in the 2 stalls per 1,000 sq.ft. range.
Wells Fargo Center is about 3 stalls per 1,000 sq.ft. range.

Offices in the suburbs like about 4 stalls per 1,000 sq.ft. range.


Also, I dont want to read too much into anything.... but I drove by the site of 151 State Street Tower yesterday during lunch, and the marketing wrap that they used to have on the fence advertising the 151 tower is no longer there. and It seems like boyer is in no rush to advertise this tower. You can't find any pre-leasing information or advertisement of it online...... Seems like Boyer is taking their sweet ole time.
Anyone else got any additional information or new updates on 151 Tower?

I spoke with someone from Boyer the other day and asked about 151 S. It sounds like it won't happen right now because the demand for office in the region is declining due to all that has been built in the past 2-3 years. They still want to build 151 S but until they get some solid leases, it is on hold.

I think that the market is slowing down and we will (and probably should hope) see things slow down for a couple years or we will have another big bubble on our hands. It is the natural cycle of the market to have a recession, just hopefully not like the one in 2008.

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Yes and it's either wrong or not telling the whole story.

The improvement has largely stagnated the last 15 years.

Just sayin'

[airhero]

Look at that. Literally a red air day.

It isn't uncommon for Salt Lake to have the worst air in the country a few days out of the year. It happens every winter and sometimes in the summer. I felt encouraged when I saw the evidence of improvement, but there's still a long way to go.

SO2 emissions went down drastically in that 90s, and that's a big reason for the improvement during the decade. This drop and most others in nitrogen oxides, carbon monoxide, etc... have been direct results of EPA regulations. As much as we want the state to make the necessary changes to clean up our air, it's next to impossible for a state the size of Utah to take on the big corporations behind the emissions, and the article Comrade posted provides a good example of that. I hope the state can figure out a way to do what it needs to but I'm doubtful.

And any improvements at the federal level seem doubtful for at least the next four years, except for the Tesoro and Holly Frontier refinery improvements already in motion. It's all quite discouraging on the air pollution front.

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Merewether

Project "to build a desirable urban district to live, work and play" in Salt Lake City and South Salt Lake.
Public workshop Feb. 9 6-8pm at SLCC South City campus

https://www.lifeonstate.com/

This is great! And, the state and county can help pay for improvements.

Another corridor they should focus on is the 5th and 6th south gateway corridor into the city. It's an awful first impression when arriving into downtown from the freeway.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by airhero

Look at that. Literally a red air day.

It isn't uncommon for Salt Lake to have the worst air in the country a few days out of the year. It happens every winter and sometimes in the summer. I felt encouraged when I saw the evidence of improvement, but there's still a long way to go.

SO2 emissions went down drastically in that 90s, and that's a big reason for the improvement during the decade. This drop and most others in nitrogen oxides, carbon monoxide, etc... have been direct results of EPA regulations. As much as we want the state to make the necessary changes to clean up our air, it's next to impossible for a state the size of Utah to take on the big corporations behind the emissions, and the article Comrade posted provides a good example of that. I hope the state can figure out a way to do what it needs to but I'm doubtful.

And any improvements at the federal level seem doubtful for at least the next four years, except for the Tesoro and Holly Frontier refinery improvements already in motion. It's all quite discouraging on the air pollution front.

It also doesn't help that we now have a federal government that will bend at the will of corporate entities. I expect any momentum we've gained in clean air will be wiped out the next four years.

[Stenar]

Looks like photoshop or maybe the sunset shining through the inversion. It is never orange otherwise.

Originally Posted by Orlando

Just sayin'

[delts145]

I do remember in years past when Geneva actually did put out a lot of orange. So glad those days are past. Another thought is this. While day to day pollution has improved significantly over the decades, it seems to have remained relatively the same these past ten or more years. However, I would also point out that the sources, i.e. population, has increased significantly. So, there has been some progress just in order to keep the pollution from increasing at the same rate as the rapid growth of the Wasatch Front. I am in the column however that thinks more should be done.

I have been an advocate of CNG vehicles. Some though, have rightly pointed out that CNG, for at least our private vehicles is a bit of a dead end, and that is probably true.
The technology for vehicles such as Tesla is progressing and now coming within reach of the mainstream public. I would hope that large numbers of the Wasatch would get in to the electric vehicle trend. If just those who are now in the market over the next two three years for a change of vehicle would commit to electric, the drop in pollution levels would be significant. It won't take Detroit long to increase it's output of electric Ford's and Chevy's etc. if the demand is there. Most national/international brands are fast on the heels, or have caught up with Tesla, and do offer options to the public. This is particularly true with the multi car families, who should not be using an internal combustion engine for their commuter vehicles.

One major problem, which is also apparent here in L.A. is the use of wood/coal burning stoves for heating. Here in L.A. this is a particular problem in large areas like Korea Town, or any immigrant based area. While the government supposedly regulates it, they rarely if ever enforce those regulations. I think it is a big problem along the Wasatch, particularly in areas like Logan.

[wrendog]

Nasty unbreathable air that can cause serious health issues aside, that is a really cool photo.

[Ironweed]

Originally Posted by Orlando

This is great! And, the state and county can help pay for improvements.

Another corridor they should focus on is the 5th and 6th south gateway corridor into the city. It's an awful first impression when arriving into downtown from the freeway.

Agreed 110%! The designated area could become a real gem for the cities; If they do it right. That entire corridor is ripe for gentrification. Touche' again Orlando on the other corridors!!

I thought it would be a great idea for a trax/streetcar line built to switch off of the U of U and main street line downtown and go down Sate all the way on 89 to Payson. It would obviously be extremely expensive, but it would do wonders if they did it. Second best option would be to have a RBT with natural gas or angel farts as Marv so eloquently put it.

[stayinginformed]

Another high proportion affordable housing development coming to the West Side at 211 N Cornell St. (near the Power Station TRAX stop). 146 total units, 131 of those affordable at 60% AMI-that is 90% of the units affordable.

Here are the elevations, site plans, and floor layouts:

[EPdesign]

Sweet. That whole area should be medium to high residential.

[linguisize]

Outdoor retailer is looking for bids. Go figure.
https://twitter.com/BenWinslow/status/828746631218499584

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by linguisize

Outdoor retailer is looking for bids. Go figure.
https://twitter.com/BenWinslow/status/828746631218499584

I blame Peter Metcalf, of Black Diamond, for becoming too outspoken and telling the convention look elsewhere He suddenly became a huge liability to the state and city for losing the convention. I don't think Chaffetz was anti-environment. He was just questioning the process of the fed agencies taking state land, kind of like when Clinton just came in and made a national monument without any conversation with the state.

I also blame the folks at Little America for their continual lobbying against the hotel.

I also blame the state legislature for being too apathetic and slow about this, and not giving enough financial incentives to make this happen.


If the state and county don't act fast, they could lose a huge convention and money maker.

[airportvids]

I blame the fact that salt lake and county leaders has spent or I should say wasted 5 years of bullshiting about the CCH and have done nothing about it. yet here we are in 2017 with nothing!!!! No renderings, no site, no ground breaking date, no developer, JACK SHIT!!!!

[airportvids]

Yet, all we can do is develop tiny 6 story hotels all over town. Hash tag...this is why salt lake is lame and we will never be as good as Denver who would be a much better fit for the outdoor retailers show sadly.