Calgary International Airport II - Page 305

Johnny Aussie · #**6081** Posted **Jan 29, 2017, 3:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bokimon

We'll wait and see how this summer works out regarding TS, no more western Canadian coverage to europe will be noticeable around here but at least the other carriers like WJ will gladly fill in the void.

Incorrect.

TS has really pulled back at YYC (GLA, CDG and MAN gone) but YYC will still have TS service to LGW and AMS (a total of 4 weekly flights)

Will Westjet fill the void? Is there a void to fill?

As for YVR... TS will have daily LGW plus MAN, GLA, CDG and AMS (a total of 17 flights per week)

So there is still plenty of TS coverage to Europe from Western Canada - primarily from YVR mind you.

thenoflyzone · #**6082** Posted **Jan 29, 2017, 3:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

I would argue this is already the case. Is YUL really an international hub for AC?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

Save for a handful of Europe/North Africa flights the true Eastern hub is YYZ.

I wouldn't call AC's 14 destinations for next summer in Europe/Asia/N. Africa a handful. Not counting all the Star A carriers that serve YUL internationally.

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Originally Posted by Cage

I'm a little more optimistic about the future for YYC.

First of all, Canada has and will always have four hubs in this country.

I agree.

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Originally Posted by Cage

Secondly, there are paths to victory of 3rd place for YYC. Specifically,
- Anything happens to TS (the airline) and YUL would likely see the pax difference with YYC evaporate overnight. TransAt lost money in 2016 when everyone else made money, that is risk factor that cannot be ignored.

You and me both know if TS folds, Rouge and even Westjet will pick up the slack (Rouge to Europe and the Caribbean, Westjet mostly to the Caribbean). Montrealers wont stop flying to Europe/the Caribbean simply because TS folds. You might see a dip in passengers for a year, but eventually, other carriers will fill the void.

Look at what happened to BUD when Malev folded. Other carriers stepped in to fill the void within a heartbeat. The airport is busier than ever nowadays.

Bigtime · #**6083** Posted **Jan 29, 2017, 3:42 PM**

Yesterday evening WestJet flight 1860 operating YYC-Honolulu blew a tire on departure. The crew did a few low approaches so tower could verify the blown tire and then they continued to fly to burn off fuel before making a successful landing on 17L. Video courtesy of Alex Peterson.

• Video Link

excel · #**6084** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 12:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bokimon

While we may lack the O/D pedigree of Vancity, we have a backyard which IMO is actually better than the mountains around YVR.

Keep in mind our backyard is not just mountains, but the ocean, the island and the United States.

YEG · #**6085** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 3:09 AM**

A couple of upcoming WestJet changes:

Calgary-Thunder Bay won't be returning this summer, and Calgary-Yellowknife will now be Encore year-round.

DoubleK · #**6086** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 3:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by YEG

Calgary-Thunder Bay won't be returning this summer

Boo to this. I took this as often as I could. Guess they just didn't have the volume to justify.

YEG · #**6087** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 4:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by YEG

A couple of upcoming WestJet changes:

Calgary-Thunder Bay won't be returning this summer, and Calgary-Yellowknife will now be Encore year-round.

Also adding twice weekly Nashville service.

Bigtime · #**6088** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 4:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by YEG

Also adding twice weekly Nashville service.

Woah what? That's great news!

Bigtime · #**6089** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 5:04 PM**

Announcement from Nashville:

http://wkrn.com/2017/01/30/nashville-airport-announces-nonstop-flights-to-calgary/

yyc_engineer · #**6090** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 5:24 PM**

Good News! First new service to a new state in a long time! This will be popular in the summer months for sure.

https://blog.westjet.com/2017-summer-flight-schedule/?sm_cid=social:routes:summer-schedule:twitter

lubicon · #**6091** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 7:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by YEG

A couple of upcoming WestJet changes:

Calgary-Thunder Bay won't be returning this summer, and Calgary-Yellowknife will now be Encore year-round.

haven't looked but is the same happening for YEG-YZF?

lubicon · #**6092** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 8:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

No.

Not saying this is the reason it's not going to Encore, but a fair bit of cargo goes on YEG-YZF. Enough that putting it on a Q would be problematic.

Thanks Acey.

Cage · #**6093** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 9:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

You and me both know if TS folds, Rouge and even Westjet will pick up the slack (Rouge to Europe and the Caribbean, Westjet mostly to the Caribbean). Montrealers wont stop flying to Europe/the Caribbean simply because TS folds. You might see a dip in passengers for a year, but eventually, other carriers will fill the void.

My expectation is that any new ownership for TS or Transat AT will quickly restructure the airline to drop unprofitable flying. I also believe the unprofitable flying will not be replaced by Rouge, WestJet, Sunwing, etc.).

Air Canada mainline and Rouge will take the opportunity to firm up margins and yields in the YUL market. Rouge is getting near the max 50 aircraft. So any transition into YUL would have to come at the expense of other routes. Similarly, mainline widebody routes are doing above expectations, at least above the current margins for TS.

WestJet is perennially challenged to maintain french language obligations on existing YUL, YQB, and YQM services. I can only see a takeover of TS or the whole tour company as a viable solution to ws small presence in YUL and YQB.

Don't count out a TransAt AT takeover from the realm of possibilities. Stock market valuation is <$200 million so a competitive bid around $250-$275 million would take the whole company.

YEG · #**6094** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 11:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

They're listing it as a 738 (168 seats) so they're apparently not concerned about selling seats. IAH and JFK started as 736's and worked their way up as required. It'll leave in the mid-morning transborder bank for good cnx from YEG, YLW, YQU, YVR, etc.

WS1426 YYC 1000 1445 BNA 738 47
WS 1427 BNA 1540 1850 YYC 738 47

And because YEG-YLW flights weren't empty enough, they're adding more.

Scratch that, YEG-YLW is going to all Encore in the summer. Ouch.

Ouch?

YEG-YLW will have more frequency than YYC-YLW. YVR-YLW is going all Encore too.

Johnny Aussie · #**6095** Posted **Jan 31, 2017, 2:33 AM**

The thing with Westjet and YEG is a general shift replacing mainline with Encore.

Westjet is continuing to beef up YVR and YYC (both mainline and Encore) whereas YEG seems to be getting more flights to YLW (at the expense of dropping mainline) and an extra weekly flight to LAS? Although my records show YEG - LAS was twice daily last summer and this summer only 10 weekly... But their press release MUST be right.

YEG · #**6096** Posted **Jan 31, 2017, 2:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Although my records show YEG - LAS was twice daily last summer and this summer only 10 weekly... But their press release MUST be right.

Your "records" (whatever that is) are wrong. YEG-LAS was not twice daily last summer.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Westjet is continuing to beef up YVR and YYC (both mainline and Encore) whereas YEG seems to be getting more flights to YLW (at the expense of dropping mainline) and an extra weekly flight to LAS?

They've also added mainline frequencies to Toronto, Fort McMurray and Winnipeg and have upgauged aircraft on Victoria, Comox and Ottawa routes.

YEG · #**6097** Posted **Jan 31, 2017, 2:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

So? YEG-YLW has been something of a trunk route for WS since practically day 1. The fact that it can no longer support mainline is still disappointing. You're looking at it from the YEG vs the world angle as usual, so yes YYC/YVR are also losing it, but it doesn't make the fact that mainline was going out with 30 people on it any less disappointing.

"As usual"? Don't pretend like you know me.

I don't see how increased frequency can be construed as a bad thing. More connectivity.

Johnny Aussie · #**6098** Posted **Jan 31, 2017, 5:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by YEG

Your "records" (whatever that is) are wrong. YEG-LAS was not twice daily last summer.

They've also added mainline frequencies to Toronto, Fort McMurray and Winnipeg and have upgauged aircraft on Victoria, Comox and Ottawa routes.

Yes it was twice daily last summer for a majority of the summer then reduced to 12 per week until the end of the summer when it was reduced to 9 weekly. So they are comparing different periods to make it sound better.. soften the blow to YEG. Regardless even if it is going from 9 - > 10 not really even worth a press release mention but again giving the people what they want to hear.

Yes maybe they are adding a few frequencies per week on other routes but overall downward trend with more Encore replacing Westjet mainline... and that's continuing with the summer 2017 schedule.

Johnny Aussie · #**6099** Posted **Jan 31, 2017, 8:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

Yup. Loads were strong though, especially on 1486 the afternoon YEG-LAS. Somewhat nice to see when the transborder world is otherwise collapsing in spectacular fashion around YEG.

Makes sense when LAS is by far YEG's largest transborder market.

Back to YYC.... I'll try and look at the summer changes soon... a few increases on a few routes.

MalcolmTucker · #**6100** Posted **Jan 31, 2017, 12:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by YEG

"As usual"? Don't pretend like you know me.

I don't see how increased frequency can be construed as a bad thing. More connectivity.

I agree. More frequency means the flight is more competitive with hub transfers. 6 options in YYC on WJ? Hard to charge as much of a premium for direct, harder to juice the load factor with onconnections to Toronto and east with only 1 turn a day.