YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 548

moosejaw · #**10941** Posted **Jan 6, 2017, 3:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

Ben schlappig has a post on the possible HKG-YVR-MIA flight on his blog. He circle-mapped it and YVR's geography seems favorable. We'll see if Cathay crunches the numbers and rolls the dice (and deals with the bilateral issues)

It seems easier than getting a specific plane and CX has a maintainence base at MIA for its cargo division. That makes sense.

Speedbird1 · #**10942** Posted **Jan 6, 2017, 8:04 PM**

When the CX MIA rumours came out a year or two ago, the suggestion at that time had been that the JFK tag could be cut and replaced with MIA. The one saving grace of the JFK tag has been cargo, but if the bilateral can't be amended I wonder if it will be enough to keep it.

twoNeurons · #**10943** Posted **Jan 6, 2017, 10:41 PM**

Personally, I'd like to see YVR become a bigger OneWorld focus city.

Direct flights to Miami, Charlotte, Phoenix, and Madrid by a OneWorld airline would be great! The closest OneWorld hub to us now is LAX! And I believe WestJet is more likely to join SkyTeam if it joins ANY alliance in the future.

I'd also like see AA metal to YVR-Hawaii... purely so I have an option to use Avios on that route.

trofirhen · #**10944** Posted **Jan 7, 2017, 1:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Personally, I'd like to see YVR become a bigger OneWorld focus city.

Direct flights to Miami, Charlotte, Phoenix, and Madrid by a OneWorld airline would be great! The closest OneWorld hub to us now is LAX! And I believe WestJet is more likely to join SkyTeam if it joins ANY alliance in the future.

I'd also like see AA metal to YVR-Hawaii... purely so I have an option to use Avios on that route.

Ironic that before being taken over by Air Canada, CP Air was OneWorld. I believe that the hq for OneWorld was, very briefly, in Vancouver!
That was a loss, but in the long haul, perhaps AC, could provide more global coverage, but it seems only rather recent that they've made any real effort in improving YVR as a hub.

Speedbird1 · #**10945** Posted **Jan 7, 2017, 2:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Ironic that before being taken over by Air Canada, CP Air was OneWorld. I believe that the hq for OneWorld was, very briefly, in Vancouver!
That was a loss, but in the long haul, perhaps AC, could provide more global coverage, but it seems only rather recent that they've made any real effort in improving YVR as a hub.

Not briefly, but rather for most of it's existence. Opened in Vancouver in 2000 and moved to NYC in 2011.

Hot Rod · #**10946** Posted **Jan 7, 2017, 4:11 AM**

I was just about to mention that Speedbird that Vancouver was THE original Oneworld home office. ...

Hot Rod · #**10947** Posted **Jan 7, 2017, 4:18 AM**

I do agree it would be nice to have more Oneworld but I think we have to do this one step at a time. It's nice to get love from A/C and Star and the continued expansion of SkyTeam despite any major presence (and a developing hub of theirs 200 km away). SeaTac wish it had as much SkyTeam intercontinental connections as YVR.

Let these develop and the market get defined (as a true connection hub) and I bet we'll see Oneworld and more independents jump into the action.

I do agree from a YVR prospective it would be lovely for WestJet to get in-bed with Oneworld rather than Sky. I also can't understand why Oneworld didn't go after one of the China3 - Sky got East and Southern whereas Air China is a long standing Star member. ... Not sure why Oneworld prefers the smallest presence.

teriyaki · #**10948** Posted **Jan 7, 2017, 4:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hot Rod

I do agree it would be nice to have more Oneworld but I think we have to do this one step at a time. It's nice to get love from A/C and Star and the continued expansion of SkyTeam despite any major presence (and a developing hub of theirs 200 km away). SeaTac wish it had as much SkyTeam intercontinental connections as YVR.

Let these develop and the market get defined (as a true connection hub) and I bet we'll see Oneworld and more independents jump into the action.

I do agree from a YVR prospective it would be lovely for WestJet to get in-bed with Oneworld rather than Sky. I also can't understand why Oneworld didn't go after one of the China3 - Sky got East and Southern whereas Air China is a long standing Star member. ... Not sure why Oneworld prefers the smallest presence.

Likely to do with CX wanting to take all the China feed

Chikinlittle · #**10949** Posted **Jan 7, 2017, 10:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

Ben schlappig has a post on the possible HKG-YVR-MIA flight on his blog. He circle-mapped it and YVR's geography seems favorable. We'll see if Cathay crunches the numbers and rolls the dice (and deals with the bilateral issues)

Actually, looks like YWG or YZF would be more favourable

Gordon · #**10950** Posted **Jan 7, 2017, 11:21 PM**

would ywf be able to handle A 777?

YZF Yellwoknife

jmt18325 · #**10951** Posted **Jan 8, 2017, 5:23 AM**

You heard it here first people: HKG - MIA via YWG. Lol

POCO · #**10952** Posted **Jan 8, 2017, 10:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

You heard it here first people: HKG - MIA via YWG. Lol

I imagine the domestic/international connections would be easier than YYC...

casper · #**10953** Posted **Jan 8, 2017, 8:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

You heard it here first people: HKG - MIA via YWG. Lol

That is silly. Why would they pass on Saskatoon to go to Winnipeg. Domestic to International connection are so much easier in YXE. Plus the airport has a fire place to warm up at after the walk down the bridge.

Sure YVR has an oversized fish tank.

mezzanine · #**10954** Posted **Jan 9, 2017, 5:24 AM**

Shout out to new service from Capital airlines, starting 2 days ago, to qingdao and Hangzhou.

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China’s Capital Airlines is readying to make its first-ever departure from Vancouver International Airport (YVR) at 4:30 p.m. on January 6.

The airline plans to fly three times per week out of Vancouver - on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays. The flights arrive at Qingdao, China, at 7:40 p.m. the following day and then continue on to Hangzhou, arriving at 11:25 p.m.

Flights will depart Hangzhou at 2:15 p.m. on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays. They make a stop at Qingdao, where the non-stop flight to Vancouver will leave at 6:05 p.m. Flights then arrive at YVR at 1:15 p.m.

https://www.biv.com/article/2017/1/chinas-capital-airlines-today-launches-first-vanco/

nname · #**10955** Posted **Jan 9, 2017, 11:11 AM**

WS YVR-LGW will become daily, for the month of September only.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/270779/westjet-s17-london-gatwick-service-changes/

LeftCoaster · #**10956** Posted **Jan 10, 2017, 1:09 AM**

Hmm, strange month to bump flights. I understand it's likely related to when their limited 767 fleet is available but still kinda weird.

On another note, according to my big sheet of seats, Europe including London is only seeing an increase in seats of 3.0% for summer 17 vs summer 16. This is mainly due to the new Frankfurt and LGW on AC but the loss of LHR on AC and downgauge of Munich on LH.

Will be interesting to see if 3% increase in capacity is what we end up with, after such strong growth in 2016. There still might be a rouge flight or something in the works for 17 but it's getting a bit late to add anything too significant for summer 17 I would imagine.

twoNeurons · #**10957** Posted **Jan 10, 2017, 6:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by teriyaki

Likely to do with CX wanting to take all the China feed

Yeah... probably had to do with branding as well. OneWorld likes to bill itself as a premium alliance. Look at the roster.

BA, JAL, AA, Cathay Pacific, Qantas, Qatar...

"The alliance's stated objective is to be the first-choice airline alliance for the world's frequent international travelers."

They're all about big hubs and huge companies connecting hubs all over the world.

Although there are some up-and-coming nouveau-riche coming out of Mainland China, and there are definitely frequent travelers coming out of Beijing and Shanghai and Guangzhou, it seems that they're happy to funnel most of them through Hong Kong.

To be, OneWorld is the A380, *A is the 787, and SkyTeam is a combo of older 747s and A330s.

LeftCoaster · #**10958** Posted **Jan 10, 2017, 9:42 PM**

I always thought of *A as the premium alliance, with Lufthansa, Singapore, ANA, Asiana, Eva and what looks like eventually Ethiad.

SpongeG · #**10959** Posted **Jan 10, 2017, 11:26 PM**

some surprises to me in these

These Are the Best- and Worst-Performing Airlines in the World

The Worst 10 International Airlines of 2016

10. Hainan Airlines – 30.3 percent
9. Korean Air – 31.74 percent
8. Air China – 32.73 percent
7. Hong Kong Airlines – 33.42 percent
6. China Eastern Airlines – 35.8 percent
5. Asiana Airlines – 37.46 percent
4. Philippine Airlines – 38.33 percent
3. Air India – 38.71 percent
2. Icelandair – 41.05 percent
1. El Al – 56 percent

The Best 10 International Airlines of 2016

10. Qantas – 15.7 percent
9. TAM Linhas Aéreas – 14.93 percent
8. Delta Air Lines – 14.83 percent
7. Singapore Airlines – 14.55 percent
6. ANA – 14.46 percent
5. Austrian – 14.26 percent
4. Qatar Airways – 13.66 percent
3. JAL – 12.2 percent
2. Iberia – 11.82 percent
1. KLM – 11.47 percent

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-09/the-best-and-worst-airlines-in-the-world

Gordon · #**10960** Posted **Jan 11, 2017, 4:36 AM**

Are we likely to see any 748s at YVr this year?

It would be nice to see more competition within B.C. from West jet Encore. Cmpetition may bring prices down a bit.