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Old Posted Dec 26, 2016, 9:48 PM
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I guess you didn't read the article, par for the course these days.

Mortgage debt is excluded.
The debt levels of quebecers isn't something I particularly find interesting.

Anyway, excluding mortgage debt, you still have real estate prices of a third to a quarter of the cost in Canada's other big cities. That means more money to spend on other things and less debt required for similar standards of living. Rentals are also dirt cheap. More discretionary income. Nothing special to see. And no it has nothing to do with 'enjoyment of life'. (LOL)
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The debt levels of quebecers isn't something I particularly find interesting.

Anyway, excluding mortgage debt, you still have real estate prices of a third to a quarter of the cost in Canada's other big cities. That means more money to spend on other things and less debt required for similar standards of living. Rentals are also dirt cheap. More discretionary income. Nothing special to see. And no it has nothing to do with 'enjoyment of life'. (LOL)
I guess you didn't read the post that I was responding to either. I guess you just like responding to posts that don't interest you, which is a bit strange.

I judge all cities by Berlin standards and Canadian cities don't fare too well by comparison.

I've heard that Belgrade is pretty cool and I imagine it's much more
"authentic" since the thorough "cleansing" the region received 20 years ago.
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To answer the question, I don't 'love' Montreal as that's something I can only give to my two cities - Toronto and Belgrade.
Yep, we all have personal preferences.

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Montreal is another average big city in North America...
But this is objectively untrue.

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The debt levels of quebecers isn't something I particularly find interesting.
Maybe you don't, but I think this is precisely the kind of thing that people on a forum devoted to urban affairs would find fascinating.

Why are debt loads lower? How is that phenomenon reflected in the culture of Quebec? Probably the answers aren't that complicated. With smaller, denser living spaces, you have less space to put stuff, so you don't buy more stuff. Having lower incomes helps, too. Plus, a greater number of restaurants per capita suggests that going out for a nice meal is a bit higher on the list of priorities in Quebec.

It would be interesting to hear Quebeckers' take on this. Though I suppose the idea that there's a sort of joie de vivre in Quebec that isn't quite as prevalent elsewhere will ruffle regionally sensitive feathers, as these things tend to on SSP.

I wonder: Are there pickup truck forums, or maybe country music forums, where Quebeckers get testy about the lower per capita pickup truck ownership there in comparison to in Alberta?
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2016, 10:26 PM
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I guess you didn't read the post that I was responding to either. I guess you just like responding to posts that don't interest you, which is a bit strange.

I judge all cities by Berlin standards and Canadian cities don't fare too well by comparison.

I've heard that Belgrade is pretty cool and I imagine it's much more
"authentic" since the thorough "cleansing" the region received 20 years ago.
Hint: it has nothing to do with a certain joie the vivre in Quebec - it's simple microeconomics.

And that second comment... You find civil war amusing? Keep your filthy comments to yourself.

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Yep, we all have personal preferences.


But this is objectively untrue.


Maybe you don't, but I think this is precisely the kind of thing that people on a forum devoted to urban affairs would find fascinating.

Why are debt loads lower? How is that phenomenon reflected in the culture of Quebec? Probably the answers aren't that complicated. With smaller, denser living spaces, you have less space to put stuff, so you don't buy more stuff. Having lower incomes helps, too. Plus, a greater number of restaurants per capita suggests that going out for a nice meal is a bit higher on the list of priorities in Quebec.

It would be interesting to hear Quebeckers' take on this. Though I suppose the idea that there's a sort of joie de vivre in Quebec that isn't quite as prevalent elsewhere will ruffle regionally sensitive feathers, as these things tend to on SSP.

I wonder: Are there pickup truck forums, or maybe country music forums, where Quebeckers get testy about the lower per capita pickup truck ownership there in comparison to in Alberta?
Absolutely not rousseau, and I find it amusing how gullible some of you are. And I find Montreal just another city, so sue me if I seem to disagree

This has nothing to do with joie de vivre of the Quebecois and different living arrangements - it's simple microeconomics.

What constitutes the largest share of debt among Canadians: housing, education, childcare. In all categories, Quebecers have an advantage. Their housing is significantly cheaper (both ownership and rental), their education and childcare costs are enviably lower - all contributing to higher discretionary incomes, that they use on purchasing things and 'living' (as do all Canadians). If ROC Canadians want to maintain similar levels of spending, their discretionary income isn't high enough and many (stupidly) go into debt. Overall that's the simple explanation. There's a materialistic obsession on both sides of the fence..

Otherwise, salaries are similar to ROC and tax is marginally higher - that about closes it off. In fact, salaries are higher in Montreal than in Toronto.

No need to bring in 'joie de vivre' and spending money on 'living' as those are not mutually exclusive to the Quebecois. Canadians spend on similar things, Quebecers like big backyard pools and suburban houses too.. Same shit, different linguistic pile.
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I've heard that Belgrade is pretty cool and I imagine it's much more
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That statement is quite out of line and inappropriate...
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No need to bring in 'joie de vivre' and spending money on 'living' as those are not mutually exclusive to the Quebecois. Canadians spend on similar things, Quebecers like big backyard pools and suburban houses too.. Same shit, different linguistic pile.
That's an interesting example that you bring up, actually. Quebeckers have, apparently, a deeper cultural appreciation for a leisurely summer dip compared to the rest of North Americans.

Explaining Quebec's love of the backyard plunder
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To answer the question, I don't 'love' Montreal as that's something I can only give to my two cities - Toronto and Belgrade. Montreal is another average big city in North America that I visit once in a while. If I want something out of the ordinary I go to Europe - more authentic anyway.

I take it you are from Belgrade and currently live in Toronto.

Props for cheering on, and giving exceptionalism to the home teams.

What's ironic is that I'm sure there are some Montrealers who feel that Toronto is just another big North American city in line with Houston, and that Belgrade is pedestrian at best in the European context...

It's all subjective in other words.
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Hint: it has nothing to do with a certain joie the vivre in Quebec - it's simple microeconomics.

And that second comment... You find civil war amusing? Keep your filthy comments to yourself.
No, I don't find civil war to be the least bit amusing. What I do find amusing is a guy who lives in the Etobicoke shore condo wasteland claiming to value "authenticity". That I find downright hilarious!
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Montreal is OK but I don't love it. I do love Vancouver though for many reasons, a prime one being it's location and such incredible beauty so close to it.
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Absolutely not rousseau, and I find it amusing how gullible some of you are. And I find Montreal just another city, so sue me if I seem to disagree
Okay, I'm going to sue you. The idea that Montreal is qualitatively "just another North American city" is a (civil, heh) crime against reality. It's not Cleveland or Calgary. Or, I don't know...Indianapolis. It totally looks different. Feels different. Lives differently.

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In all categories, Quebecers have an advantage. Their housing is significantly cheaper (both ownership and rental), their education and childcare costs are enviably lower - all contributing to higher discretionary incomes, that they use on purchasing things and 'living' (as do all Canadians).
And one has to wonder why Quebec has decided to lessen the economic burden on education and childcare, something nobody is doing in the rest of North America.

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If ROC Canadians want to maintain similar levels of spending, their discretionary income isn't high enough and many (stupidly) go into debt.
And one has to wonder why other Canadians are going into debt for all this stuff that Quebeckers, on average, are doing without. Or at least, buying less of.

These are interesting questions. Why do they have more restaurants per capita than anywhere else? Because they go to restaurants more than we anglos do. Why?

The answers aren't solely within the purview of economics.
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No, I don't find civil war to be the least bit amusing. What I do find amusing is a guy who lives in the Etobicoke shore condo wasteland claiming to value "authenticity". That I find downright hilarious!
You're starting to sound like one of those vituperative hate-Toronto-at-all-costs kind of anglo Montrealer.

It's kinda boring.
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You're starting to sound like one of those vituperative hate-Toronto-at-all-costs kind of anglo Montrealer.

It's kinda boring.
I don't hate Toronto at all and I only moved to Montreal a few years ago.

Would you describe the collection of condos on the shores of Etobicoke as an "authentic" Toronto hood? If so, I suggest you check out Nuns Island for its "authentic" Montreal vibe.
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Would you describe the collection of condos on the shores of Etobicoke as an "authentic" Toronto hood?.
Well, I think "settling for what you can afford" is a pretty authentic Toronto experience (debt conversation notwithstanding)
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It was pretty obvious from the title of this thread "which is not even correct" that things would go south. I'm not sure why people are angered so much by others personal views or opinions.
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2016, 3:30 AM
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I don't hate Toronto at all and I only moved to Montreal a few years ago.

Would you describe the collection of condos on the shores of Etobicoke as an "authentic" Toronto hood? If so, I suggest you check out Nuns Island for its "authentic" Montreal vibe.
Lol. I don't find Montreal special. It's that simple. I will never have enough vacation time and when I do take it I head across the pond. Nothing on this continent has the draw of what's abroad. Except NYC, and even then...

And as someone who never uses the word authentic, you think I find my neighbourhood authentic? Lol. You bitter montrealers. Thin skinned and bitchy.
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I take it you are from Belgrade and currently live in Toronto.

Props for cheering on, and giving exceptionalism to the home teams.

What's ironic is that I'm sure there are some Montrealers who feel that Toronto is just another big North American city in line with Houston, and that Belgrade is pedestrian at best in the European context...

It's all subjective in other words.
Precisely. Don't open a circle jerk thread about Montreal expecting people to agree with some subjective statements.


And that's fine. I think Montreal is an overrated provincial backwater that many of you elevate because your cultural bandwidth is so narrow you barely know what's out there. It's not that special.

Neither is Toronto, but nobody is claiming that. It's just a big city with tons of opportunity and things to do.
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Precisely. Don't open a circle jerk thread about Montreal expecting people to agree with some subjective statements.


And that's fine. I think Montreal is an overrated provincial backwater that many of you elevate because your cultural bandwidth is so narrow you barely know what's out there. It's not that special.

Neither is Toronto, but nobody is claiming that. It's just a big city with tons of opportunity and things to do.
We get it, you don't like Montreal! That's ok, many people don't. Of course, they tend not to go out of their way to write novellas about it but then again, I get the sense that you're a little.. 'special'. (not that there's anything wrong with that)

And I must bow to your vast experience and sophistication. I've seldom met anyone who has lived in two (2!) different cities and travelled to two (2!) entire continents. Lordy lord the things you must have seen, the stories that you could tell! Do tell us. It would be like manna from the heavens for us provincial bumpkins here in Montreal.

I have to be honest. When you pull out (of where, I'm not entirely certain) terminology like "microeconomics", you've lost me. That's Big City, Big Shot, Big Money guy stuff! We're all on welfare here in Montreal and besides: I have no idea how much a microphone costs these days.

Please continue to bless us with more of your worldly cosmopolitanism (can I call you Cosmo?), we don't get around much here in little ole Montreal.
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We get it, you don't like Montreal! That's ok, many people don't. Of course, they tend not to go out of their way to write novellas about it but then again, I get the sense that you're a little.. 'special'. (not that there's anything wrong with that)

And I must bow to your vast experience and sophistication. I've seldom met anyone who has lived in two (2!) different cities and travelled to two (2!) entire continents. Lordy lord the things you must have seen, the stories that you could tell! Do tell us. It would be like manna from the heavens for us provincial bumpkins here in Montreal.

I have to be honest. When you pull out (of where, I'm not entirely certain) terminology like "microeconomics", you've lost me. That's Big City, Big Shot, Big Money guy stuff! We're all on welfare here in Montreal and besides: I have no idea how much a microphone costs these days.

Please continue to bless us with more of your worldly cosmopolitanism (can I call you Cosmo?), we don't get around much here in little ole Montreal.
Bitchy bitchy did I strike a nerve with he who hails from the provincial backwater? Honey, I've been to more countries, cities and continents than you can count on you fingers - since someone who doesn't know about microeconomics likely doesn't know how to do simple arithmetic.

I mean, I'm not really surprised. You try using ethnic cleansing as a joke - which just makes you a pathetic individual with sociopathic tendencies.
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Bitchy bitchy did I strike a nerve with he who hails from the provincial backwater?

Using your metric, 4 /5 of North American cities are provincial back waters.

I would love to see your travel ratings guide.

Aww on second thought never mind..I don't read any of those articles in the SUN or those hack write ups in those free dailies anyways.
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Using your metric, 4 /5 of North American cities are provincial back waters.

I would love to see your travel ratings guide.

Aww on second thought never mind..I don't read any of those articles in the SUN or those hack write ups in those free dailies anyways.
Montreal just isn't special, sorry. Why am I supposed to think it is? Because bagels? LOL

I know you're stuck in Ottawa (my condolences, 4 years of my life were quite enough), and are likely glad you can experience something more 'exotic' 150km down the road, but that's exactly why I'm laughing at you. That's as far as your cultural bandwidth goes.
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