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Old Posted Dec 6, 2016, 6:47 AM
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PdV Tower C is only 112 metres, and the CBD sits about 15 to 18 metres above LeBreton. If this project tops off at 200m, it will definitely be noticeably taller.

I'm beginning to think that this project is being used as a spearhead to upzone the height limits in the rest of LeBreton later.
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It doesn't matter if the floorplates on those towers are bit big. The towers are so tall, they won't look even a little bit stumpy when they're done. It's all about proportionality.
It's a starter project. When toronto got it's first skyscraper it looked awkward for a little while but then it started an arms race and skyscrapers started popping up like weeds.

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PdV Tower C is only 112 metres, and the CBD sits about 15 to 18 metres above LeBreton. If this project tops off at 200m, it will definitely be noticeably taller.

I'm beginning to think that this project is being used as a spearhead to upzone the height limits in the rest of LeBreton later.
That might be - the proposed height seems to make little sense on its own.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2016, 4:28 PM
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For those of us not completely in-tune with city approvals processes, what has to happen here to make this a reality?

So the site plan has been filed... goes before council (when?)... then what (i.e. if council approves, shovels hit the ground?) ?

Are they applying for a variance (i.e. height?)?
Can council state, "27 floors max"?
Can the developer say, "thanks for the 59 story approval... now we're building 27 stories"?
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2016, 4:46 PM
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Trinity has a stake in the Sens' LeBreton proposal. If they get approval for 59, they will build 59 to kick-start a precedent. LeBreton, I wager, might see a few over 60.

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For those of us not completely in-tune with city approvals processes, what has to happen here to make this a reality?

So the site plan has been filed... goes before council (when?)... then what (i.e. if council approves, shovels hit the ground?) ?

Are they applying for a variance (i.e. height?)?
Can council state, "27 floors max"?
Can the developer say, "thanks for the 59 story approval... now we're building 27 stories"?
I'll admit that I'm not a fan of this project as I don't like really tall buildings for the sake of them being tall.... But I'm a fan of density in an urban area, and this project contributes to this idea. In the past, Ottawa has chosen to built wide rather then high and I believe that it's proving to be a very costly decision. In my opinion, the city will rubber stamp this project based primarily on this fact, and that we'll see Le Breton become part of downtown within a generation with several of these being added within that time frame. These are exciting times for Ottawa and Gatineau... The next 20-30 years will bring many new elements that will change the city not only in terms of feel and looks, but also industrially and culturally.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2016, 10:37 PM
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For those of us not completely in-tune with city approvals processes, what has to happen here to make this a reality?

So the site plan has been filed... goes before council (when?)... then what (i.e. if council approves, shovels hit the ground?) ?

Are they applying for a variance (i.e. height?)?
Can council state, "27 floors max"?
Can the developer say, "thanks for the 59 story approval... now we're building 27 stories"?
They are currently applying for three types of applications

-Official Plan Amendment - changing the policies in the Bayview Secondary Plan to allow for increased height. Basically the city did a comprehensive plan for the neighbourhood a little while back and the developer now wants to amend that plan. The change needs to be approved by Council.

-Zoning Amendment - Changing existing site-specific zoning to increase height limit, modify setbacks for property lines, required amenity areas etc... more specific to the building envelope and uses on the site. It needs to be approved by Council.

-Site Plan approval - Process to approve the layout of development, design of exterior, servicing, stormwater, access etc. Approved by staff but can be brought up if requested.

Timing depends on when staff is ready to bring forward or if developer really pushing... but they have passed the minimum 6 months since submitting an application, so the developer could potentially appeal to the OMB for lack of a decision.

Generally they would be able to build less than the maximum height, although in some cases there would be a minimum of several stories depending on the zoning. The zoning for this property already allows for 30 storeys. Council would not generally downzone unless they did a comprehensive study of an area recommending height changes across a neighbourhood.

They would also need a building permit which would take some time to review given the complexity of the site.
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Hi everyone,

I'm new to this forum, so not sure if this has been answered.

The height is nice, but I noticed that the majority, if not all of the towers are being proposed as residential. Any chance for a mixed-use proposal here? Like retail at grade, office podium, with rental/hotel/residential above in the tower portion (a la toronto). The one redeeming factor for this, is its proximity to the future confederation line, and the ongoing redevelopment of little italy and lebreton.

It does seem like 40, 50, 60 floors of residential would be a little too much, too fast for the area. Tell me if i'm wrong in thinking this way.

Still, it's nice to see my hometown grow
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^^^ to answer your question:

from the developer's website

although they also seem to have this version:



and this one that seems to include a library proposal:


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Thanks for that Kitchissippi,

That's exactly what I was referring to. The massing could be a little more... diverse, but the library would definitely help boost foot traffic though and make the area more interesting.

Weren't there talks of building a new central library somewhere around here? https://biblioottawalibrary.ca/en/central-library

"On June 9, 2015, the Ottawa Public Library Board approved the next steps of the Central Library Project, which include:

A 132,000 gross square feet Central Library
To proceed with the new build (See Background below for details)
That the Central Area be considered the geographic boundaries when considering a location for the new build"


This is pretty close to the 130,000 sqf in the library proposal.
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2016, 9:15 PM
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Thanks for that Kitchissippi,

That's exactly what I was referring to. The massing could be a little more... diverse, but the library would definitely help boost foot traffic though and make the area more interesting.

Weren't there talks of building a new central library somewhere around here? https://biblioottawalibrary.ca/en/central-library

"On June 9, 2015, the Ottawa Public Library Board approved the next steps of the Central Library Project, which include:

A 132,000 gross square feet Central Library
To proceed with the new build (See Background below for details)
That the Central Area be considered the geographic boundaries when considering a location for the new build"


This is pretty close to the 130,000 sqf in the library proposal.
The City wants a new 130,000 sqft central library. Trinity is also proposing a library on Booth at Albert across Pimisi Station as part of the Sens' Rendez-Vous LeBreton proposal.
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2016, 12:02 AM
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Three-tower development plan at O-Train junction needs tweaks, critics say

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: December 13, 2016 | Last Updated: December 13, 2016 4:07 PM EST




A three-tower plan for a site near an O-Train rail juncture no longer calls for the development to span the tracks onto city parkland.

Critics have turned their attention to how the proposed mixed-use complex at 900 Albert St., across from Bayview transit station, will promote pedestrian and cycling access, especially on the south side of the site.

“We have to make sure it’s focused on transit and active access and not just a place where cars drive up,” according to Michael Powell, president of the Dalhousie Community Association.

Trinity Developments proposes to build three towers of 59, 55 and 50 storeys, creating a retail, office and residential complex at the municipal rail junction. There would be 1,632 residential units and possibly a grocery store as one of the main retail tenants.

There would be a direct pedestrian connection to the Bayview transit station, where the Confederation Line LRT and Trillium Line diesel train will meet in 2018.

Trinity is no longer proposing to stretch the development across the Trillium Line tracks onto the property of Tom Brown Arena.

Ryan Moore, senior development manager and planner with Trinity, said the company scrubbed that idea after hearing from residents.

“The community was very adamant they wanted to retain it as parkland space,” Moore said.

However, a pedestrian and cycling bridge over the train tracks connecting the land with Hintonburg could still be in the cards.

The previous property owner, DCR/Phoenix, intended to pay $450,000 towards the bridge as part of an agreement to allow more height and density in exchange for community perks. The amount of money is expected to be the same when it comes to Trinity’s proposal.

“We’re interested in having that pedestrian bridge,” Moore said.

The bridge would eventually allow people to access the back part of the site and perhaps cut through the property completely. The south part of the site would be the truck access from Albert Street and the loading bays.

Powell said Trinity needs to think more about how to better connect that side of the building with the neighbourhood and any future plans at the City Centre complex.

On the other hand, Moore said the company has given it plenty of thought but so far hasn’t been able to come up with a better solution for truck access. He hopes to get more community feedback at a public consultation Wednesday.

The consultation will be at Orange Gallery, 290 City Centre Ave., between 6 p.m. and 8 p.m.

Somerset Coun. Catherine McKenney, who believes it’s one of the most important development lands in Ottawa, said she was excited to see the planning application but was ultimately disappointed.

“It’s not designed today for people,” McKenney said, pointing to a community design plan that calls for “active frontages.”

“If you don’t have an active frontage on the south side of the building, you make it a tunnel,” McKenney said. “It does not become good public space where people walk and cycle.”

The proposed development is the next piece of a larger redevelopment around the Bayview transit station. The Innovation Centre will soon open north of the transit station and the National Capital Commission is sorting out a development deal with RendezVous LeBreton for the land east of the station at LeBreton Flats.

Trinity is a partner in the RendezVous LeBreton project with the Ottawa Senators, although the 900 Albert St. development is separate.

Moore said he expects council will consider planning applications for 900 Albert St. in February or March before the company can begin the yearlong job of relocating municipal pipes in April.

If council approves the plan, the company would build one tower first and develop the rest of the blueprint in phases. The first phase could be done by 2020.

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Trinity’s 59-storey Bayview Station proposal met with concerns by residents, councillors

Craig Lord, OBJ
Published on December 15, 2016


Trinity Development’s proposal for its Bayview Station highrises flies a little too close to the sun, concerned residents told the group at a public consultation on Wednesday night.

However, the real estate firm said the height is needed to offset the cost of relocating the massive water and sewer pipes that crisscross the site, a feature that’s hindered the efforts of previous owners to develop the property.

The Trinity Station project is located near the corner of Albert and Preston streets, near the future intersection of Ottawa’s two light-rail lines, and would contain the tallest buildings in Ottawa if approved by municipal officials.

This week’s consultation was the first chance residents had to give feedback since Trinity submitted its new development plans last month, featuring the removal of a fourth proposed building and an increase in building heights to 59, 55 and 50 stories respectively. The development will feature a “podium” with retail and office space below high rises with more than 1,600 residential units.

More than 80 residents from nearby neighbourhoods attended the consultation at Orange Art Gallery, and many expressed their frustrations with the prospect of a 59-storey building.

One resident stood to tell Trinity representatives about the need to balance intensification and the overhauling of the existing neighbourhood, drawing applause from the crowd. She was not the only attendee to voice displeasure with the proposed height.

Trinity development manager Ryan Moore defended the need for intensification in the project, alluding to the $10.5-million cost to relocate water and sewer pipes that lie beneath the site. The size of these buildings, Mr. Moore says, is necessary to offset the costs of this relocation.

“This is a big-ticket item for Trinity,” he told the crowd.

Residents were skeptical of these claims, questioning that since the costs of relocation must have been known when the fourth building was originally proposed, and if it can be removed and supplemented with a few extra stories, how can they be sure what is necessary and what is excessive?

Mr. Moore said the costs had been calculated, but that he couldn’t provide the financial breakdown himself. He added in an e-mail to OBJ that he would need a few days assemble staff to bring this information forward.

Parking, traffic, and context

Height was not the only sticking point for residents. Concerns about designs matching the surrounding neighbourhood, excessive parking and traffic congestion were also expressed.

Coun. Catherine McKenney, who represents the ward that’s home to the proposed development, previously raised the issue of too much on-site parking. Mr. Moore said that Trinity is “looking at ways to reduce parking.”

While Trinity has conducted a traffic impact study, residents, as well as Coun. McKenney and Coun. Jeff Leiper, who represents neighbouring Kitchissippi ward, pushed for a more comprehensive study that would look at the impacts of all of the forthcoming developments surrounding the area on Albert Street traffic.

Coun. Leiper spelled out his concerns: With Zibi, LeBreton Flats, the Innovation Centre, the Trinity project and further development in Mechanicsville coming on line in the near future, the number of people living along the spine of the O-Train Confederation Line will likely increase by more than 30,000 in the coming 30 to 40 years. How the city handles this development, he says, will have lasting impacts on the area.

He, in addition to other attendees, expressed dissatisfaction with the overall design and implementation of the development.

“Right now, I’m a little bit worried that we may be building stores with a condo or apartment tower on top. It has to be a lot more exciting than that,” Mr. Leiper said. Others complained about the lack of originality in the towers’ designs, and concerns that it wouldn’t match the low-rise character of the neighbourhood.

Mr. Moore said that none of the designs are finalized at this stage of the process, and that many of the current plans are “placeholders” while the group seeks approval for its build. He did highlight that since Trinity is part of the group chosen for the redevelopment of LeBreton Flats, that when it comes to ensuring the new development matches what’s to come on the other side of the tracks, “the left hand will know what the right hand is doing.”

Lack of details

In general, residents seemed frustrated with a lack of details available at the consultation. In response to questions about sustainable elements like charging ports for electric cars or availability of affordable housing, Trinity says it was not at the phase of development where it could plan for that.

Trinity, a commercial developer, is still seeking a partner to develop the residential aspect of the property. While he couldn’t say for sure, Mr. Moore said the group is looking at primarily rental units rather than condos in the buildings, but that it would be some kind of mixed-use structure.

Trinity has had to file three applications, each running concurrently, to gain approval for its plans. The group is aiming for the Official Plan Amendment and Zoning Bylaw Amendment (which will determine whether its development can exceed height restrictions) to be approved by mid-2017, with the site plan control (the finer details of the development) to follow. Thus far, no decisions have been made on the applications, leaving room for public feedback to influence the development plans.

Trinity is then hoping to lay the foundations and complete the necessary pipe relocation starting in late 2017, with out-of-ground work beginning in mid-2018 and podium completion in 2019. Following that, each of the buildings would be built in phases, each likely staggered by six months.

http://www.obj.ca/Real-Estate/Residentia...h-concerns-by-residents%2C-councillors/1
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Been noticing quite a bit of activity on this site over the last few days. 2-3 tractors have been on the site clearing the ground of dead trees and such. It's looking pretty empty right now... Any chance they are pushing ahead with this project?
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Been noticing quite a bit of activity on this site over the last few days. 2-3 tractors have been on the site clearing the ground of dead trees and such. It's looking pretty empty right now... Any chance they are pushing ahead with this project?
According to Darwin they are just rerouting the sewer lines, which will take 18 months.
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Ryan Moore, senior development manager and planner with Trinity, said the company scrubbed that idea after hearing from residents.

“The community was very adamant they wanted to retain it as parkland space,” Moore said.
I don't think I have ever seen a human being using this "parkland space", other than the occasional rec hockey player cutting across to their parked car.
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Found this.


http://www.cgarchitect.com/2015/01/albert-street-ottawa-canada

Love all the trees on LeBreton Flats!
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Where is the escarpment that cuts off Lebreton from the rest of the downtown core?"
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