YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 531

Johnny Aussie · #**10601** Posted **Nov 29, 2016, 5:46 PM**

Hong Kong Airlines will be overseas carrier #23 operating to YVR!

Breakdown by continent:

Asia 14
Europe 7
Australia (Oceania) 2

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I think the 332 will be weight restricted from HKG though, so they may put the 359 on it anyway.

That's the plan. They were planning on launching with the 359 but couldn't wait to get to YVR!

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Originally Posted by nname

XIY-PVG-YVR maybe?

Yes, it's in quite a few of Chinese media now... This is coming from the speeches from the CEO of the Northwest branch of China Eastern during an event

That's sounds plausible. It would be too early to speculate if China-Canada will be getting more frequencies. The cap remains! Another reason why HX is starting up... Use HKG as a hub.

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Originally Posted by Gordon

We may see all the swing gates inc C\D 48 & 49 be used or international flights during that block.

Sounds like this may be needed!

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Originally Posted by casper

Sounds like they need to move quickly on getting shovels in the ground with the expansion of the international terminal.

Shovels would be a good start!

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Originally Posted by zahav

I wonder if AC is considering making YVR-DEL year round.

Being a heavy VFR route and seasonal traffic patterns I doubt it for now. Most VFR traffic occurs exactly when this flight is operating. It's just too hot in the northern Indian summers for most people visiting family there. They travel in the autumn and winter.

SFUVancouver · #**10602** Posted **Nov 29, 2016, 6:04 PM**

Just catching up...

That's great news about Hong Kong Airlines! 23 foreign tails at YVR, for a little city on the edge of the country, is pretty incredible.

As for a second airport terminal hotel, I think that YVR could pursue this in the near- to mid-term. My hunch is that it would be incorporated into the Templeton Sation Office Park that's been slowly moving forward and has a ways to go yet. I don't think a mid-market hotel could afford a terminal-connected location and its lease rates, plus it would cannibalize business from the Fairmont. A Sea Island mid-market business hotel that's adjacent to a Canada Line station - free for travel within Sea Island - would do great and definitely appeal to an operator that would only need to run shuttle service for the 4 hours or so overnight when the SkyTrain is closed.

Now, a second full-service terminal hotel - or an expansion of the Fairmont - might be a medium- to long-term opportunity, and its future provision should be incorporated into the design of the expanded/replacement Transborder terminal.

deasine · #**10603** Posted **Nov 30, 2016, 1:24 PM**

Interestingly CX and AC applied to Transport Canada for joint codeshare agreements on each other's fleet likely as a response to HX.

Gordon · #**10604** Posted **Nov 30, 2016, 1:30 PM**

Is it not unusual that that airlines from competing alliances would sign a code share agreement?

deasine · #**10605** Posted **Nov 30, 2016, 1:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gordon

Is it not unusual that that airlines from competing alliances would sign a code share agreement?

Well it isn't "unusual" per say nowadays but this one is unprecedented as Star Alliance generally discourages this from occurring. Cathay Pacific and Air New Zealand codeshare agreement is the only other major cross-alliance codeshare partnership (exception of Air China agreements which are mostly allowed likely for political reasons).

casper · #**10606** Posted **Nov 30, 2016, 2:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gordon

Is it not unusual that that airlines from competing alliances would sign a code share agreement?

I don't think it is all that unusual. Cathay and Air Canada have worked together for years. Cathay used Air Canada to provide connections to most of Canada from Vancouver for years.

Air Canada has code shared on Jet into India before and Middle Eastern Airlines into Lebanon as well as Quants into Australia.

Cage · #**10607** Posted **Nov 30, 2016, 4:34 PM**

CX and AC are codesharing in Canada and Hong Kong because they both offer industry standard prorates and fare calculations are industry standard.

Like BA, CX is fed up with WS nonstandard practices and incredibly high prorates. For example, it's cheaper for CX to codeshare with AC than with WS on YYC-YVR because AC will get a cheaper rate on CX services HKG-BKK than from TG.

Johnny Aussie · #**10608** Posted **Nov 30, 2016, 6:59 PM**

The engine just keeps rolling!

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/october/traffic-update-oct16.pdf?la=en

Overall up 11.5% YTD up 9.5%
Domestic up 7.6% YTD up 7.6%
Transborder up 12.4% YTD up 6.5%
Asia Pacific up 18.3% YTD up 14.9%
Europe up 18.1% YTD up 17.1%
Misc Int'l up 46.2% YTD up 27.1%
TTL INTL up 16.1% YTD up 11.4%

Total pax increased over 183,000 from Oct 2015!

SFUVancouver · #**10609** Posted **Nov 30, 2016, 7:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The engine just keeps rolling!

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/october/traffic-update-oct16.pdf?la=en

Overall up 11.5% YTD up 9.5%
Domestic up 7.6% YTD up 7.6%
Transborder up 12.4% YTD up 6.5%
Asia Pacific up 18.3% YTD up 14.9%
Europe up 18.1% YTD up 17.1%
Misc Int'l up 46.2% YTD up 27.1%
TTL INTL up 16.1% YTD up 11.4%

Total pax increased over 183,000 from Oct 2015!

That's awesome!

Thanks for the head's up that it's been posted.

Aside from the numbers that you quoted, what jumped out to me was that jet runway movements are down -1.1% and total runway movements -2.8% but total tonnes on runway are up 8.8%(!); a sure sign of major up-gauging of aircraft.

Some further breakdown of the YVR October 2016 & Year to Date 2016 numbers.

Total Passengers (Domestic, Transborder, and International) | October 2016 – 1,780,096 [up 11.5% from October 2015]
Total Passengers (Domestic, Transborder, and International) | Year to Date 2016 – 18,838,334 [up 9.5% from Year to Date 2015]

Domestic | October 2016 – 924,594 [up 6.6% from October 2015]
Domestic | Year to Date 2016 – 9,387,269 [up 7.0% from Year to Date 2015]

Total International (incl. Transborder) | October 2016 – 846,777 [up 16.1% from October 2015]
Total International (incl. Transborder) | Year to Date 2016 – 9,451,065 [up 11.4% from Year to Date 2015]

Transborder | October 2016 – 410,071 [up 12.4% from October 2015]
Transborder | Year to Date 2016 – 4,623,755 [up 6.5% from Year to Date 2015]

International – Asia Pacific | October 2016 – 288,954 [up 18.3% from October 2015]
International – Asia Pacific | Year to Date 2016 – 2,955,653 [up 14.9% from Year to Date 2015]

International – Europe | October 2016 – 117,693 [up 18.1% from October 2015]
International – Europe | Year to Date 2016 – 1,423,186 [up 17.1% from Year to Date 2015]

[edit: I skipped Miscellaneous International, so the numbers of Transborder, Asia, and Europe do not add up to the Total International.]

Johnny Aussie · #**10610** Posted **Nov 30, 2016, 11:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

That's awesome!

Thanks for the head's up that it's been posted.

Aside from the numbers that you quoted, what jumped out to me was that jet runway movements are down -1.1% and total runway movements -2.8% but total tonnes on runway are up 8.8%(!); a sure sign of major up-gauging of aircraft!

Thanks for your additional info!

Saw the stats just while waking up so I thought I'd get a jump start.

Looks like 22 million will be surpassed this year... more than likely anyway!

Gordon · #**10611** Posted **Dec 1, 2016, 3:29 AM**

Terminal expansion:

The east concourse expansion is expected in to start construction in the next 5 years or so. it will include between 6 - 12 bridged gates & 5 commuter gates (I suspect a fair bit of ground improvement will be required prior to construction)

The west concourse expansion is expected to be started first.

(source: YVR2037)

I would think that if the 2 int'l swing gates were in use ac could use b27 & 28 for domestic overflow.

thenoflyzone · #**10612** Posted **Dec 1, 2016, 2:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I think the 332 will be weight restricted from HKG though, so they may put the 359 on it anyway.

If anything the westbound leg will be slightly weight restricted, not the flight out of HKG.

Either way, i don't think it will be that bad. Their oldest A332 is 7 years old. Their newest barely 5 years old. They should have plenty of 238t MTOW A332s. Capable of 12,500 km. YVR-HKG is well below that.

Gordon · #**10613** Posted **Dec 1, 2016, 5:33 PM**

Once the east concourse expansion is in use the East apron hold room (gates 90 - 96 will be removed.

LeftCoaster · #**10614** Posted **Dec 1, 2016, 11:06 PM**

Chinese carrier Juneyao airlines ordered 10 787-9s for delivery beginning in 2018 with the intent to serve Europe and North America. YVR could be a logical early airport, if they can get permission from the Canadian government.
http://atwonline.com/airframes/juneyao-airlines-orders-10-boeing-787-9s

They recently became a Star Alliance connecting partner and have indicated they may wish to join the alliance in the future.

Their all red livery is particularly striking:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneyao_Airlines

s211 · #**10615** Posted **Dec 1, 2016, 11:10 PM**

^ Must get lots of speeding tickets.

Johnny Aussie · #**10616** Posted **Dec 1, 2016, 11:41 PM**

Talking about hitting 22 million pax.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/media/news-releases...-record-passenger-growth-with-air-canada

Highlighting Air Canada's international route expansion... 8 since 2015 and 5 more next year.. so far!

trofirhen · #**10617** Posted **Dec 2, 2016, 12:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by Gordon

Once the east concourse expansion is in use the East apron hold room (gates 90 - 96 will be removed.

That's the little "satellite" that does Seattle and Portland. Do you have any renders of future - East -USA portion, that is? Thanks

If anyone has anything visual, please post it!!!!

Gordon · #**10618** Posted **Dec 2, 2016, 3:24 AM**

Yes It is. There should be more information in January. Apparently the gates will be removed in the near future. Delta uses those jet bridges fairly for their Seattle & LA Flights.

casper · #**10619** Posted **Dec 2, 2016, 4:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Gordon

Yes It is. There should be more information in January. Apparently the gates will be removed in the near future. Delta uses those jet bridges fairly for their Seattle & LA Flights.

Are they going to start bussing to remote stands?

Gordon · #**10620** Posted **Dec 2, 2016, 4:38 AM**

I'm not sure which gates they are referring to. I would expet the brodges 90-92 will be requires moe & more often until the expansion is done in 5 years or so