YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[LeftCoaster]

Ahh good catch, forgot to remove that one.

Exciting about Interjet, hope they look to add a different airport than just MEX, but would be a great to tail to see at YVR and YYZ either way.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by nname

According to Airliners.net, Vietnam Airlines had applied for service to LAX, SFO, SEA, DFW, and IAD - either direct or via TPE, KIX, or NGO - and seek beyond right to YVR, YYZ, and YUL.

Hmm... SGN-LAX-YVR or SGN-SFO-YVR coming? (I can't see any other combination works for YVR)

Beyond rights to YVR make little sense, it's a complete backtrack from any destination in the US.

What would make complete sense would be a routing like SGN-YVR-DAL. it's literally 26 NM further than flying direct.

On the other hand SGN-LAX-YVR is nearly 2,000 nautical miles further than flying SGN-YVR direct so I don't see how it would be at all competitive given the amount of one stop service from YVR one could take to SGN that is much more direct.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by flipv

Highly, highly unlikely. If BA needed more YVR capacity and had no appropriate LHR slot, they'd likely engage EI. Not IB which is a significant backtrack to MAD in terms of distance flown in total.

Agreed, and with EI looking to possibly order A320LRs that could free up some longer range aircraft currently serving YYZ or BOS to put on a YVR route.

I doubt YVR will see any Spanish/Portuguese service in the near future. Only slight chance would be a seasonal BCN on Norwegian, but that's just a shot in the dark.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Gordon

How does Seattle's european traffic com pare to YVr's?

Not sure of annual but summer peak it's about half.

YVR weekly seats: 30,850
SEA weekly seats: 17,650

[Gordon]

Thanks for the info.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Not sure of annual but summer peak it's about half.

YVR weekly seats: 30,850
SEA weekly seats: 17,650

Is Seattle's lower Europax #s due to EK siphoning part of it off (for transfer purposes) or not?

[sacrifice333]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Is Seattle's lower Europax #s due to EK siphoning part of it off (for transfer purposes) or not?

Not the expert, but most US Carriers operate with multiple hubs with most of their European departures exiting the US closer to the East Coast.

[LeftCoaster]

Well that's no different than Canada with the bulk if Europe flying occurring from YYZ & YUL.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Well that's no different than Canada with the bulk if Europe flying occurring from YYZ & YUL.

So true!! Do you think that -- even if only by two, (maybe more), cities-- YVR European year-round destination roster will increase any within the next 5 to 10 years?
The stats seem to warrant it, even with the normal summer travel peak. Euro- pax have leaped forward boomingly in the last two years, it seems.

[LeftCoaster]

10 years? Damn the weather guy can barely even get a three day forecast right.

Who knows?

As far as I can tell we're already looking at a 14% increase in capacity to Europe/London for summer 2017 so I don't really know how much more one could expect.

[connect2source]

A UA A319 and a WS 737-800 clipped wings at YVR today, both planes were empty of passengers at the time. The UA plane was being towed into gate 77 when the incident happened.

The UA flight was headed to SFO and the WS to PSP.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...mac-leaving-both-unable-to-fly-1.3865810

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

10 years? Damn the weather guy can barely even get a three day forecast right.

Who knows?

As far as I can tell we're already looking at a 14% increase in capacity to Europe/London for summer 2017 so I don't really know how much more one could expect.

We are lucky to get an accurate 3 hour forecast here in MEL forget three days.

Lefty the voice of reason strikes again!

Looking at Europe 2017 again... at least 10 more weekly frequencies on AC (FRA and LGW). FCO capacity on TS has been shifted to MAN... and all three weekly CDG flights will now be nonstop... it does look like Condor is back to five weekly to FRA... it was a case of add then pull. Monday - Friday schedule now.
Capacity is being added where the markets are.

London (LHR and LGW) will be even a bigger bloodbath now with 5 carriers in the market and 37 weekly flights... FRA will be a distant number two with 3 carriers and 19 weekly flights.

The only decreases in capacity (other than the dropping of FCO) appears to be on LH's MUC daily flight going back to a daily 333 (from a mix of 346/333) Perhaps the added AC FRA comes into play here.. And KLM's daily flight reverting back to a 333 from a 772... Not a huge drop by any means... who knows... who knows!

EDIT: STOP THE PRESSES...

After I posted the above I thought I would have a look at AC schedules next summer and the second daily LHR is GONE!

So back to one daily HD 77W....

LHR/LGW still 5 carriers but now 30 weekly....

Last summer the second flight was a 788 so it's really a transfer of the capacity to FRA... I think Cage pondered that possibility a few weeks back after FRA was announced.

[trofirhen]

I wonder if BA to London will use the Airbus 380 next summer.
Also, to clarify, is that 30 flights a week to Heathrow and Gatwick, or just Heathrow? Seems as if it would be both, from the way Johnny stated it it.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Also, to clarify, is that 30 flights a week to Heathrow and Gatwick, or just Heathrow? Seems as if it would be both, from the way Johnny stated it it.

Oops. Yup I meant LHR and LGW. Fixed.

[nname]

So AC would be giving up that slot for LHR next summer?

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I wonder if BA to London will use the Airbus 380 next summer.
Also, to clarify, is that 30 flights a week to Heathrow and Gatwick, or just Heathrow? Seems as if it would be both, from the way Johnny stated it it.

BA already has the A380 for scheduled operations loaded into the calendar for S17 YVR route. Albeit, it should be starting later in the year compared to this year.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

EDIT: STOP THE PRESSES...

After I posted the above I thought I would have a look at AC schedules next summer and the second daily LHR is GONE!

So back to one daily HD 77W....

LHR/LGW still 5 carriers but now 30 weekly....

Last summer the second flight was a 788 so it's really a transfer of the capacity to FRA... I think Cage pondered that possibility a few weeks back after FRA was announced.

Something seems off about that.

First of all that represents nearly an 8% drop in LON flying to last year. I get there has been capacity added to Frankfurt but that seems too large of a drop to a longstanding market like London.

Secondly, and more importantly, what does that mean for ACs LHR slot? Those things are worth more than the airplanes flying them so I doubt that AC would just lose it, and from what I understood the timing only works for western airports. Doubtful it's going to YYC given their current situation, so that leaves me to believe there is still some scheduling to go.

[Johnny Aussie]

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/2016-a-198

Colourful tail anyone

Planned start date is 30 June 2017. Daily flights.

Another daily flight to an exisiting destination... even though it's a new airline... yawn!

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by sacrifice333

Not the expert, but most US Carriers operate with multiple hubs with most of their European departures exiting the US closer to the East Coast.

Yea I don't think they have many direct flights

i flew seattle to london with Delta and we had to fly to Atlanta first.

I've looked at some other flights for options before and there was a seattle Madrid flight but it stopped in chicago where you switched to an IBERIA airplane even though it said it was an IBERIA flight from seattle but it was a partner airline for that first portion

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I noticed that, reading further into the link, that BOSTON is YVR's most requested unserved route into the USA.
All YVR-BOS pax currently have to change planes, but according to this, a nonstop route is "already very sustainable."

CP used to fly YVR-BOS.