YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

They were only offered 1 or 2 weekly additional flights (not sure if YVR or YYZ), which is not very viable, especially since it has to be divided between Emirates and Etihad. There might have been a seat cap also

Imagine 1 weekly YVR-DXB

Looks like UAE was offered up to 7 more slots into Canada... on condition that none of those were in Toronto. UAE wanted 7-day service to Toronto, Canada offered everything but YYZ.

At least according to this source:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/u-a-e-wanted-only-toronto-air-access-sources-1.939367#ixzz14l7LFfMU

If I recall at the time, the UAE was taking space out in newspapers saying UAE was prevented from flying to YVR before this news came out and the negotiations failed. I don't know what the UAE's position on this is, but I wonder why YYZ was so important to them? Is there something other than Toronto's larger population? I can't see it being proximity to US markets to funnel traffic through Toronto as I don't think they do much interlining.

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Is there something other than Toronto's larger population?

A lot of connecting traffic to India and surrounding countries. Naturally they'd want to increase YYZ to daily or double daily before considering other cities
Emirates should have tried a codeshare agreement with AC like Etihad, maybe they would have had more success. AC can increase service upto 6 weekly and in addition to EK there could be 9 weekly YYZ-DXB

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Looks like UAE was offered up to 7 more slots into Canada... on condition that none of those were in Toronto. UAE wanted 7-day service to Toronto, Canada offered everything but YYZ.

At least according to this source:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/u-a-e-wanted-only-toronto-air-access-sources-1.939367#ixzz14l7LFfMU

If I recall at the time, the UAE was taking space out in newspapers saying UAE was prevented from flying to YVR before this news came out and the negotiations failed. I don't know what the UAE's position on this is, but I wonder why YYZ was so important to them? Is there something other than Toronto's larger population? I can't see it being proximity to US markets to funnel traffic through Toronto as I don't think they do much interlining.

The article is from 2010...

[Gordon]

How does Seattle's european traffic com pare to YVr's?

Any news on YVR expansion plans?

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Gordon

How does Seattle's european traffic com pare to YVr's?*
Any news on YVR expansion plans?

For a city comparison of #of airlines and stats, go back a page to post #10502 by mezzanine.
*LEFTCOASTER posted an exhaustive comparison of the two cities some time back, but I couldn't find it.
Maybe he could direct you there. It's interesting.

[mezzanine]

Nice little analysis on AC's growth from YVR. We'll see what we get in 2017-18 with the fulfillment of the 787 orders and Rouge reaching its plane limit.

Vancouver Airport is Air Canada’s second largest operation after Toronto Pearson, with the British Columbia airport accommodating a little over 11% of the airline’s seat capacity in 2016. The Star Alliance member has heavily expanded from the airport in recent times, with its capacity growth this year being the highest recorded during the past decade. Taking just Air Canada’s mainline operation on its own, its seat capacity from Vancouver has risen by 18% during the past 12 months, while in the previous nine years the average yearly growth rate was -0.9%.

And here is their route map for s17, for now. No DEL as it is still offically seasonal.

[trofirhen]

I noticed that, reading further into the link, that BOSTON is YVR's most requested unserved route into the USA.
All YVR-BOS pax currently have to change planes, but according to this, a nonstop route is "already very sustainable."

[excel]

Anyone know how the YVR-DEL route is doing so far?

[Gordon]

It looks like YVR will go with the center expansion plan, what is expected to happen with Gates E90-96.. it would be nice that area become more permanent.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Agreed that TAP Air Portugal might make a great airline into Vancouver, but I doubt they'll ever be granted landing rights here, so you might as well forget it.
Sorry. I think we're stuck with what we have as Trans-Atlantic for another decade

Careful the words you use.

Canada and the E.U have an open skies agreement. Any airline from Portugal can fly from LIS (or any other city in Portugal) to any city in Canada, as many times as they want.

There are no landing rights issues for TAP to serve YVR. They have simply identified YYZ and YUL as future destinations due to higher demand.

Portugal is not to be confused with Turkey and the U.A.E, which do have bilateral restrictions on their services to Canada.

Originally Posted by casper

Even more unlikely would be to attract them to Vancouver as a stop over between Lisbon and Macao. The operate the Lisbon to Macca flight for a very short time many many years ago, however it flew the other direction over Russia.

The Canada-E.U bilateral permits this, subject to approval from Macao, which might be a problem, since i don't believe Canada has a bilateral air agreement with Macao.

[nname]

TransAsia Airways (GE) in Taiwan had ceased operation yesterday. The airlines had ordered 4 A330neo and had identified YVR as one of their first long-haul route.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Careful the words you use.

Canada and the E.U have an open skies agreement. Any airline from Portugal can fly from LIS (or any other city in Portugal) to any city in Canada, as many times as they want.

There are no landing rights issues for TAP to serve YVR. They have simply identified YYZ and YUL as future destinations due to higher demand.

Portugal is not to be confused with Turkey and the U.A.E, which do have bilateral restrictions on their services to Canada.

The Canada-E.U bilateral permits this, subject to approval from China, of course.

Yes, of course; excuse me. As jlousa said, there simply isn't the market here; it's not a question landing righs or bilaterals, as you point out.
That being said, I have little optimism (not counting summer flights) that we'll get anything more year-round in Europe than what we have now, for a number of years.

[s211]

Sorry for the OT, but can anybody in the know share when Air Canada might reveal its Black Friday deals?

[deasine]

Originally Posted by s211

Sorry for the OT, but can anybody in the know share when Air Canada might reveal its Black Friday deals?

Just as an FYI legacy airline "Black Friday deals" are still simply based on market supply and demand. What airlines do if they participate is simply open "cheaper" fare buckets and create a promotion around it (and then say there's an X-discount compared to a more "expensive" fare bucket for the same product), but this can and will be done irrespective of the occasion.

One can make an educative guess on potential deals by looking at the loads of the flight.

[casper]

Originally Posted by s211

Sorry for the OT, but can anybody in the know share when Air Canada might reveal its Black Friday deals?

The Black Friday sales are up on Air Canada.

Both Air Canada and WestJet have been running North America promotions for the past few months. One one ends a few days later they have another one. Around 15% and you have to enter a Promo code to get the discount. The discount only applies if you enter the Promo code when searching.

The current one on Air Canada is: "NOVEMBER2016"

The have other codes posted on their web site for international routes they may be promoting.

Something it amazing how companies play games where they give discounts to people who want discounts and charge more to those who don't care or don't ask. Promo codes are how the two Canadian airlines look to be doing it just now.

[s211]

Originally Posted by casper

The Black Friday sales are up on Air Canada.

Both Air Canada and WestJet have been running North America promotions for the past few months. One one ends a few days later they have another one. Around 15% and you have to enter a Promo code to get the discount. The discount only applies if you enter the Promo code when searching.

The current one on Air Canada is: "NOVEMBER2016"

The have other codes posted on their web site for international routes they may be promoting.

Something it amazing how companies play games where they give discounts to people who want discounts and charge more to those who don't care or don't ask. Promo codes are how the two Canadian airlines look to be doing it just now.

Thanks for the info about the promo code. I couldn't find mention of it on the website. Very narrow window of dates available for the sale, but something's better than nothing.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

Nice little analysis on AC's growth from YVR. We'll see what we get in 2017-18 with the fulfillment of the 787 orders and Rouge reaching its plane limit.


And here is their route map for s17, for now. No DEL as it is still offically seasonal.

I wonder what this map would look like if all other airlines serving YVR (except seasonals), were added to the map - presumably in another color for all.
WS, LH, BA, QF, BR, PR, AA, MU, UA, DL, NZ, etc etc..... interesting to see. Be even better in 3 or 4 years! I wish someone would, or could, do that.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I wonder what this map would look like if all other airlines serving YVR (except seasonals), were added to the map - presumably in another color for all.
WS, LH, BA, QF, BR, PR, AA, MU, UA, DL, NZ, etc etc..... interesting to see. Be even better in 3 or 4 years! I wish someone would, or could, do that.

It's really not too tough:



or of course you could always just go to YVR's website:
http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/air-services/destinations-brochure_2016_05.pdf?la=en

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

It's really not too tough:



or of course you could always just go to YVR's website:
http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/air-services/destinations-brochure_2016_05.pdf?la=en

Nice work Lefty!

Unfortunately though FCO is gone gone gone!

China is starting to look like one big mess on that map... impressive reach nonetheless.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

It's really not too tough:

or of course you could always just go to YVR's website:

Nice work Lefty!

Unfortunately though FCO is gone gone gone!

China is starting to look like one big mess on that map... impressive reach nonetheless.

Looks like the YVR website map will need some updating!