Great Canadian Skyline Thread II

[Innsertnamehere]

^love that North York shot. Its crazy to me how big North York is, and it is only a couple km north of Toronto. Its going to be a very attractive area in a few years once the new streetscaping on Yonge street comes in I think.

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by logan5

It'll be interesting to see what the new census numbers for DT Toronto are. Last census DT Toronto (5 sq miles) had a population of 175 064 (Pop density - 35 000/sq mile). With so many new towers it could be over 200 000 now. Pop density would be over 40 000 per. over 5 sq miles. That's a bustling downtown.

For comparisons sake, Vancouver's equivalent DT area (5.3 sq miles) had a population of 163 753 (density 31 000/sq mile). Vancouver's DT population will have risen significantly too, with projects in the peninsula, and the massive redevelopment of SE False Creek. But I would think Toronto has widened the gap between the 2 cities.

DT Toronto now has around 250,000 people:
http://www.metronews.ca/news/toronto/201...-will-give-more-weight-to-downtown-.html

[logan5]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

DT Toronto now has around 250,000 people:
http://www.metronews.ca/news/toronto/201...-will-give-more-weight-to-downtown-.html

I know Toronto is booming, but there's no way DT Toronto has grown that much that fast. The article must be using an expanded area of DT Toronto.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

^love that North York shot. Its crazy to me how big North York is, and it is only a couple km north of Toronto. Its going to be a very attractive area in a few years once the new streetscaping on Yonge street comes in I think.

For the skyline and for that amazing tree canopy!

[Martin Mtl]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMugiu4gK5W/?tagged=montreal

[Tosin007]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

Pics from last year.
By imuhar on Flickr:

Ya I just realized that too (When I didn't see the Harbour Plaza Residencies Condo Tower's still Under Construction so close to the Waterfront).
Sorry..

[softee]

Originally Posted by logan5

It'll be interesting to see what the new census numbers for DT Toronto are. Last census DT Toronto (5 sq miles) had a population of 175 064 (Pop density - 35 000/sq mile). With so many new towers it could be over 200 000 now. Pop density would be over 40 000 per. over 5 sq miles. That's a bustling downtown.

For comparisons sake, Vancouver's equivalent DT area (5.3 sq miles) had a population of 163 753 (density 31 000/sq mile). Vancouver's DT population will have risen significantly too, with projects in the peninsula, and the massive redevelopment of SE False Creek. But I would think Toronto has widened the gap between the 2 cities.

That 4.5 square mile downtown boundary includes the sparsely populated Toronto Islands, so if you subtract the area of the islands the density for the rest of downtown would be even higher.

[Prometheus]

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[TownGuy]

Originally Posted by softee

That 4.5 square mile downtown boundary includes the sparsely populated Toronto Islands, so if you subtract the area of the islands the density for the rest of downtown would be even higher.

Does Vancouver include Stanley Park?

[logan5]

Originally Posted by softee

That 4.5 square mile downtown boundary includes the sparsely populated Toronto Islands, so if you subtract the area of the islands the density for the rest of downtown would be even higher.

A couple years back, I went through and compiled the census tracts (as did someone else). The Toronto Islands were not 1 of the census tracts. All the census tracks used to make that calculation were densely populated residential areas. The numbers given are a fair and accurate representation of DT Toronto's population density. The population count can vary as there are different interpretations of what the DT boundary is. The tracts used, add up to the inner 5 sq miles of what I would call DT Toronto. Same goes for the Vancouver numbers given. All taken from the 2011 census.

Stanley Park was not 1 of the census tracts used to calculate Vancouver's numbers.

[logan5]

Here's the original post on DT population and density...

Originally Posted by NorthernDancer

I was curious how many people lived in a roughly five square mile area of downtown and it's immediate area for selected cities. I tried to get as close to five square mile as possible while:

1. including the entire area that would be referred to by locals as "downtown" (if I'm familiar with the city)

2. trying to get as close to a roughly rectilinear area as possible, while still counting only entire census tracts.

Since the areas are approximate, I've rounded both the areas and the population densities to two significant digits. The numbers are all from the 2010 U.S. Census, and the 2011 Canadian Census.

The Montreal number is far lower than I had anticipated. It's possible I missed some census tracts or miscalculated when I was adding them up.

I was going to add some more cities when I have time. Here are the cities I've done ordered by average density:


1. New York



population: 370,430
approx. area: 4.9 square miles
approx. density: 76,000 ppsm


2. Toronto



population: 175,064
approx. area: 5.0 square miles
approx. density: 35,000 ppsm


3. Vancouver



population: 163,753
approx. area: 5.3 square miles
approx. density: 31,000 ppsm


4. San Francisco



population: 128,317
approx. area: 5.0 square miles
approx. density: 26,000 ppsm


5. Chicago



population: 130,308
approx. area: 5.3 square miles
approx. density: 25,000 ppsm


6. Montreal



population: 89,636
approx. area: 4.7 square miles
approx. density: 19,000 ppsm


7. Seattle



population: 80,438
approx. area: 4.4 square miles
approx. density: 18,000 ppsm

[GreaterMontréal]

downtown Montréal has 120,000 people , Ville-Marie + parts of Sud-Ouest (Griffintown)

[Metro-One]

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After a couple weeks pf fantastic Montreal sets (which have actually made me appreciate that city much more) we have a fantastic Vancouver set.

Not going to let this one get forgotten so quickly as the last post on a page.

This really shows how dense Vancouver's urban form has become and how it has finally expanded beyond the peninsula.

[MTLskyline]

Can't believe I've never been to Vancouver... Really have to go..

[Metro-One]

July or August is the best time to come, and if you do I recommend a short trip to Victoria at the same time

Same way I plan to do a Montreal / Quebec city trip eventually (been to Montreal, but it was only a single day).

[logan5]

Coming from Montreal, one might be disappointed in Vancouver's overall urban form. We have the density part down though. Maybe in 10 or 15 years when Chinatown and the DTES are complete neighbourhoods, someone from a bigger city back east will be impressed with Vancouver. The DTES is where our biggest concentration of historic buildings are, and for the last 50 years they have been wasting away. Take Queen Street away from Toronto or St. Denis away from Montreal. That's the importance of the DTES.

One thing that Vancouver does the best in Canada by a country mile is its connection to the waterfront. The West End with the ocean and beaches just across the street creates such a cool vibe.It's not duplicated anywhere else.

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by logan5

Coming from Montreal, one might be disappointed in Vancouver's overall urban form. We have the density part down though. Maybe in 10 or 15 years when Chinatown and the DTES are complete neighbourhoods, someone from a bigger city back east will be impressed with Vancouver. The DTES is where our biggest concentration of historic buildings are, and for the last 50 years they have been wasting away. Take Queen Street away from Toronto or St. Denis away from Montreal. That's the importance of the DTES.

One thing that Vancouver does the best in Canada by a country mile is its connection to the waterfront. The West End with the ocean and beaches just across the street creates such a cool vibe.It's not duplicated anywhere else.

There are some attractive almost art deco neighbourhoods in the downtown area and frankly, the lovely sea breeze, cherry blossoms in the spring and spectacular mountain backdrop more than make up for this.

[logan5]

There's still a great urban vibe in Vancouver, that's for sure. It's just that it could be so much better, and it will be eventually. There will come a time when Main and Hastings is considered the cultural heart of Vancouver...

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

There are some attractive almost art deco neighbourhoods in the downtown area and frankly, the lovely sea breeze, cherry blossoms in the spring and spectacular mountain backdrop more than make up for this.

Exactly. The fact that the cities excel in different areas is what makes them interesting.

If Vancouver was just a carbon copy of Montreal, then why visit? Same thing in reverse.

[Prometheus]

Speaking of urban form and vibe, for those who may have missed it, I recently curated a set of photos that captures an important aspect of Vancouver's architecture and urban aesthetic on a fine grain level. You can see (and listen) to it here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=7566271&postcount=5751

In time, I intend to post three more curated sets, each depicting a different but essential aspect of the Vancouver ethos in detail.